052/052B Class Destroyers

s002wjh

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Why is military hardware so damn expensive?! Does it really have to cost that much for a metal tube with electronics and a small rocketengine? I read somewherethat a PAC-3 missile cost a million bucks. AMRAAMS go for ~ $300000.

its to cover R&D cost. think how much cost to develop the ENTIRE system, that would be tens millions from luncher, to sensor, to guidance, integration, testing, verification, manufacture etc the more you buy the cheaper.
 

kwaigonegin

Colonel
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

its to cover R&D cost. think how much cost to develop the ENTIRE system, that would be tens millions from luncher, to sensor, to guidance, integration, testing, verification, manufacture etc the more you buy the cheaper.

R & D is only part of it. There is also bureaucracy involved and also the supply chaining aspect of these systems. There could be potentially 100 other vendors involved in a missile system from making screws to the casing to the actual warhead etc. There are tons of middlemen involved and they need to eat too. Many of these parts are limited and do not enjoy the benefits of economies of scale production. there is also significant markup because unlike a car where all you need is to make a couple bucks profit on each, in a limited quantity products you have to mark it up many times higher unless you want to go bankrupt.

This is why a Chevy Malibu is $20K and a Patriot battery is in the $millions even though from a materials and labor standpoint a car actually has many more parts and materials than a missile. It is also technically harder to make from a 'labor' standpoint.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

71 missiles ? ... hard to believe ? any report yet ?

71 missiles is like all missiles carried by ~1.5 fully armed 052C ... really impressive if it is true

71 missiles, let say $300K each .... $21M ... hmmmmm not too bad, isn't it ?

I don't think PLAN is rich enough to do that yet :eek:

more like close to a million $ each.
 

steve_rolfe

Junior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

more like close to a million $ each.

They could be cheaper...remember we are going by Chinese prices not American.

I remember a RN sailor telling me when I was aboard a type 22 Frigate that each American Harpoon missile cost the RN £1 million to buy.

I'll say one thing for the Chinese Navy, they spend a lot of time at sea learning operational skills, and taking part in many weapons trials.
 

luhai

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

71 missiles ? ... hard to believe ? any report yet ?

71 missiles is like all missiles carried by ~1.5 fully armed 052C ... really impressive if it is true

71 missiles, let say $300K each .... $21M ... hmmmmm not too bad, isn't it ?

I don't think PLAN is rich enough to do that yet :eek:

Here is the official report and picture gallery. It's acutally looks like joint Southern Fleet + Eastern Fleet exercise, due to presence of the Sovremenny.

July 26, multi-branch organization by the South China Sea Fleet Navy contract live ammunition drill in the South China Sea waters success. The exercise elements participating in the training is the most complete, real-launched missiles up to the highest level of information, the most complex electromagnetic environment against a joint combat exercises in the history of the Navy.

Exercises to important instructions of President Hu about unswervingly adhere to the preparations for military struggle leading position to guide and implement the spirit of the army strategic and operational training, to expand and deepen the preparations for military struggle for traction, give full play to the role of the blood of the command information system, highlighting the complex electromagnetic specialize in scouring contracts sea, air and missile defense and air combat environment the actual use of weapons drills, highlighting the heavy and difficult problems and experimental training of exploration and practice, highlighting the leading organs command information system use, focus on improving information systems based on the system combat capability, test complex electromagnetic environment, new tactics and new training methods and troops' construction of new achievements in complex electromagnetic environment configuration set, real-time effects assessment, control mechanism and generated based on information system operational capability of training mode aspects of research and exploration has made new achievements. The exercises start in three sea area more than 18,000 square kilometers of sea firing 71 missiles of 16 types . This is a real into the background, the real soldiers under the full complex electromagnetic interference conditions

Confrontation, the joint, three-dimensional confrontation, close combat throughout the entire process, exercises in complex electromagnetic environments multi-branch contracts sea-range precision strike, air force of the air combat and complex electromagnetic environment Surface Warship Formation integrated air and missile defense and other topics .

In recent years, the Navy has resolutely implement the decisions and arrangements of President Hu Jintao and Central Military Commission headquarters, pay close attention to the construction of information systems and lay a solid system based on the operational capability to generate and strengthen the pace of military training to speed up the combat capability to generate intelligence and reconnaissance, early warning detection, command and control, communications security electronic countermeasures equipment performance has been greatly improved, weapons and equipment of information technology has improved significantly, the initial realization of the cross-linking between the information source, command posts, combat platforms and weapon systems. This drill is the Navy based on information system to combat the actual test.

Chinese military pictures "People's Navy" newspaper reporter Po the marine special correspondent Zhong Jijun photo coverage
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luhai

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Very impressive exercises. Love that last pic of the detonation. I wonder if it was an actual intercept test, or an automatic detonation...whatever, its impressive.

the caption of the photo says missile destroys approaching target drone.
 

luhai

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Found the video, the drill is actually from 2010, not 2012 as I originally said. (The first news report where I got the picture date from 2012)

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