052/052B Class Destroyers

Re: DDG 052C Thread

antimatter said:

It's Phase array radar is more powerful than the 054A's top-plate radar.
But PLAN only has 2 of thos 052C. I think it's due to cost. The MMIC for phase array radar costs too much. It's cheaper to build those top-plate.

China semiconductor has to bring the cost of the MMIC down whether it's for the ship or for AESA. There's no way around it.

right now, this ship by far is drawing the most attention from the USN and Japanese Navy. They are really curious as how does this compare to the Aegis system.

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The problem of the ship may not be in the radar itself but in its YJ-62 and HQ-9 VLS arrangement. It tied itself into a corner with regards to weapons compatibility with other PLAN ships.

For example, let's say the PLAN develops an ASROC based on the Yu-7 torpedo. Chances are the most likely installation would using the YJ-83 squared canister. Or use the 054A's hot launched VLS. Which would leave the 052C out in the cold when using such a weapon.

PLAN needs to standardize on a single AshM and VLS arrangement. The 052C would end up kind of like a Mac in an office of Windows PCs.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Thanks Crobato, very interesting analysis indeed, I'd never thought about that.

Is it true that YJ-62 is much more superior than YJ-83 in any aspect ?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

antiterror13 said:

Thanks Crobato, very interesting analysis indeed, I'd never thought about that.

Is it true that YJ-62 is much more superior than YJ-83 in any aspect ?

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don't assume YJ-62 is the weapon that will be fitted on 052C. Most of the time, we don't even see it loaded with AShM. And we have also seen LACM launchers on there.

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*DELETE, I missed the actual point of argument, sorry*

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what they expect to begin construction of the 052D? problem of money because of the crisis?

Re: DDG 052C Thread

antiterror13 said:

Thanks Crobato, very interesting analysis indeed, I'd never thought about that.

Is it true that YJ-62 is much more superior than YJ-83 in any aspect ?

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In terms of range yes. The YJ-62 also claims to have a frequency agile seeker. But just remember for its size and weight, a larger number of YJ-83s can be fitted within the same parameters.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

tphuang said:

don't assume YJ-62 is the weapon that will be fitted on 052C. Most of the time, we don't even see it loaded with AShM. And we have also seen LACM launchers on there.

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They seem to be loading the YJ-62 for the Somali mission. It also appears that the YJ-62 has an LACM version and that apparently was also tested on the 052C.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

escobar said:

what they expect to begin construction of the 052D? problem of money because of the crisis?

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I think there are questions on its layout, particularly the VLS system used is a dead end. Like I said it can't be used on anything else. The PLAN should invest in a universal VLS system that can use HQ-9, HQ-16, Yu-x ASROC, YJ-6x/8x AshMs. Something like the one used on the 054A for example. I would think they should blend the concepts of the two ships.

I don't think money is that much of a problem. China is now facing Gallium Arsenide overproduction and it has been for over a year. The same material used to make AESAs is also used to make LCD and LED screens, including those shiny white flashlights and car headlights. But slowdowns in these markets means excess stock, prices have been falling down and building some AESAs can help soak these up.

In the future though, the PLAN should invest in Silicon Carbide arrays however.

Re: DDG 052C Thread

Silicon Carbide arrays ??????????

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invest in a universal VLS system that can use HQ-9, HQ-16, Yu-x ASROC, YJ-6x/8x AshMs:very good idea crobato
like USN is doing