052/052B Class Destroyers

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Another thing is that he hull structure of the Type 052D might not even be that different from the current Type 052C, if any, I mean can you even tell difference between hulls from Type 054 and Type 054A?

In my opinion the hulls between the two DDGs won't be much different they will differ in weapons, bridge and senors etc etc so we won't really know for sure until late stages in construction however we have a pictures we have evidence so we can see what's happening
 

Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

that module is already different enough. those holes are not something that will be filled up, they point to various doors and openings that are not present on 052c. so either it is not a destroyer at all, or it is, but it is different than 052c.

There is another interesting thing, though. Take a box that you have in your residence, shoe box, any box like that. take images of it, from similar angles that we can see here. Assuming helipad is as long as one on 052c (z15 wont have larger area than ka28), comparison of various ratios of length in those pictures should give a rough estimate on the width. It amounts to little over 20 meters, perhaps as much as 22 meters. If, for some reason, the helipad is longer, then the width would be even more, going over 25 meters, which is, of course, unrealistically wide.
 

Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

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type 45, which has a similar layout - centrally positioned hangar and lifeboats on each side of the hangar, seems like it can accomodate two lynx size helicopters after all - if necessary. So i guess that may not be out of the question for the new destroyer. But still, in most operational scenarios, just like type 45, i dont believe they would be cramming in there more than one helicopter.

On another note, why do the designers of chinese warships insist on the curved transition between the horizontal outer lines of the main deck and vertical outer lines of the superstructure? Seen both at the command bridge structure and aft hangar, both in 054 and 052? Most modern warship designes purposefully avoid such curved lines. (RCS measure?)
 

Mysterre

Banned Idiot
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

while i dont believe we can be sure those modules lying around are for a military ship, let alone 052D, if we DO assume they are for a new destroyer - we can speculate the following: holes in side walls at the stern are different from ones on 052c. In the deck line, where a helicopter hangar should begin, there is a cut out on the side. Its size and position could point to a place where lifeboats could go. If true, it could suggest a centrally positioned helicopter hangar, though at the same time, i dont believe more than one helicopter would fit, even if we have a brand new hull 20 meters wide.

But the most curious thing is the hole on the side, also blurred. I can't think of any combat ship of destroyer class with a side door that large. It could very well mean the whole ship is not a combat ship, or it could point out that the whole stern section is an empty, (modular?) area, not unlike ones in LCS ships, where it could serve for various purposes, including having a large rear side ramp. Again, though, why put something like that on a destroyer sized ship?
Any module with sloped siding is likely going to end up as a warship. Not completely sure yet, but that last photo suggests the ship is sloped.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

Any module with sloped siding is likely going to end up as a warship. Not completely sure yet, but that last photo suggests the ship is sloped.

The sections are found in the dedicated military section of the shipyard. the eastern most "3rd Line) on the water frontage of JIangNan's yard on Changxing Island at mouth of Yangtze river.
 

delft

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

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"The largest dockyard in the facility is reportedly 580 meters in length and 120 meters in width, which makes it large enough to accommodate a Varyag-size carrier."
That is not only enough to accommodate a Varyag-sized carrier, it is large enough to accommodate the largest merchantman in the world.
 

Jeff Head

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

"The largest dockyard in the facility is reportedly 580 meters in length and 120 meters in width, which makes it large enough to accommodate a Varyag-size carrier."
That is not only enough to accommodate a Varyag-sized carrier, it is large enough to accommodate the largest merchantman in the world.
Maybe at some point, we will begin seeing either here, or elsewhere, the long rumored construction fo the two indegenous aircraft carriers for the PLAN.

It would be amazing to see them, side by side, being constructed together similarly to how the first two Type 052C DDGs were.

That would be a sight to behold.
 

Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

i have serious doubts that two carriers will be built at once, no matter what could be read so far. It just isnt prudent to do that with a new class, especially for someone like china who is learning the carrier making business. It seems more likely we will see a single carrier, perhaps even fully built, tested at sea, and then we will see another one of the same design, perhaps with small changes that are the product of the learning process.

And even after that, i see no point in two or more carriers being built simultaneously. A carrier hull can be built within 4 years, easely. In 20 years time (which should be like half a carrier's lifespan) that means 5 more carriers can be put into service. so a fleet of 10 could be maintained in the long run. that is as many as US will have, i seriously don't see a need for more. But we are talking about year 2050. anyway so all that is a little bit moot...
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

UK is making two carriers which will enter service within two are of each other, no doubt it has been done
 
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