re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Canada.
Russia still has Be-12 and Be-200
LA County fire department uses CL-415.
Canada.
Russia still has Be-12 and Be-200
LA County fire department uses CL-415.
052/052B Class Destroyers
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franco-russe
Senior Member
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
I generally agree with your identification, with the exception of:
picture 3 - the rear unit (Hull 4) appears to be further advanced than the one in picture 2 (Hull 5). But they might also be the same, then you would have Hulls 4 and 5 fitting out and Hulls 6 and 7 in the building hall.
Is Hull 3 never going to join ESF for good, it seems a long time since it returned to Jiangnan?
I generally agree with your identification, with the exception of:
picture 3 - the rear unit (Hull 4) appears to be further advanced than the one in picture 2 (Hull 5). But they might also be the same, then you would have Hulls 4 and 5 fitting out and Hulls 6 and 7 in the building hall.
Is Hull 3 never going to join ESF for good, it seems a long time since it returned to Jiangnan?
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escobar
Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Thanks. So for now we haven't seen the 8th and probably last one.
Thanks. So for now we haven't seen the 8th and probably last one.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Eight Type 052Cs will be a good number for the PLAN...and these six are coming along very rapidly too. They could produce a lot of DDGs if they had a mind to...like the US has and is producing Burks. I will have one Type 052C as an escort for my along with a Type 052B, a 965EM Sov, and two Type 054A FFGs and a PLAN SSN.
If six and seven are the ones in the hall, then 8 has not started there yet and is yet to come.
Eight Type 052Cs will be a good number for the PLAN...and these six are coming along very rapidly too. They could produce a lot of DDGs if they had a mind to...like the US has and is producing Burks. I will have one Type 052C as an escort for my along with a Type 052B, a 965EM Sov, and two Type 054A FFGs and a PLAN SSN.
escobar
Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Yep but it takes long time to train crew to manage those advanced DDG.
Don't Type 052C and Type 054A more than enough to be PLAN Carrier escort ship?
Yep but it takes long time to train crew to manage those advanced DDG.
Don't Type 052C and Type 054A more than enough to be PLAN Carrier escort ship?
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
What would a 965EM Sov add to such a battle group? Another 052B or 052C will do as well, and not stick out like a sore thumb (lower radar signature).
What would a 965EM Sov add to such a battle group? Another 052B or 052C will do as well, and not stick out like a sore thumb (lower radar signature).
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plawolf
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Character. It's his model fleet after all, and I imagine it would get a little 'boring' to just add another 052B/C or 054A. I would have thought an 051C might have added similar character and also be more realistic, but maybe there isn't a model for it, or maybe Jeff just already have a suitable Sov model, so using it would save him time and money.
In real life, it is hard to see how a Sov would be useful, but I hardly think a Sov will have a larger RCS than the carrier or replenishment ship.
The biggest problem with the Sovs is that there biggest asset - the sunburn, is of no use to a carrier strike group that doesn't want to get remotely close enough to the enemy where the sunburn would be useable.
In terms of AAW or ASW, the Sovs have nothing over the likes of the 054As never mind the 052Cs.
Can the Sovs even network with other PLAN ships using datalinks? Come to think of it, I cannot recall any instances where the Sovs have operated together with other PLAN ships as part of a task force. They always seem to just operate by themselves or with other Sovs, but rarely if ever with other PLAN ship types.
If it is true the the Sovs could not network with other PLAN ships other thank the other Sovs, that may explain why the PLAN has never sent Sovs out on anti-piracy missions. Everyone knows that those missions are prime training opportunities for long range and fleet ops, and it could be that it was felt the training experience would be diminish if one of the three ships was literally not operating on the same wavelength. That seems like a far more sensible explaination than the usual 'the Sovs are so bad that they might not last the duration of the mission without breaking down' reasons others have suggested.
The Sovs are hardly the poster boys of reliability, but it is hard to imagine them being that bad, especially since the PLAN has hardly been pushing them since getting them, so they should still have a lot of miles left on the clock.
Character. It's his model fleet after all, and I imagine it would get a little 'boring' to just add another 052B/C or 054A. I would have thought an 051C might have added similar character and also be more realistic, but maybe there isn't a model for it, or maybe Jeff just already have a suitable Sov model, so using it would save him time and money.
In real life, it is hard to see how a Sov would be useful, but I hardly think a Sov will have a larger RCS than the carrier or replenishment ship.
The biggest problem with the Sovs is that there biggest asset - the sunburn, is of no use to a carrier strike group that doesn't want to get remotely close enough to the enemy where the sunburn would be useable.
In terms of AAW or ASW, the Sovs have nothing over the likes of the 054As never mind the 052Cs.
Can the Sovs even network with other PLAN ships using datalinks? Come to think of it, I cannot recall any instances where the Sovs have operated together with other PLAN ships as part of a task force. They always seem to just operate by themselves or with other Sovs, but rarely if ever with other PLAN ship types.
If it is true the the Sovs could not network with other PLAN ships other thank the other Sovs, that may explain why the PLAN has never sent Sovs out on anti-piracy missions. Everyone knows that those missions are prime training opportunities for long range and fleet ops, and it could be that it was felt the training experience would be diminish if one of the three ships was literally not operating on the same wavelength. That seems like a far more sensible explaination than the usual 'the Sovs are so bad that they might not last the duration of the mission without breaking down' reasons others have suggested.
The Sovs are hardly the poster boys of reliability, but it is hard to imagine them being that bad, especially since the PLAN has hardly been pushing them since getting them, so they should still have a lot of miles left on the clock.
