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[generalmeng]

But they succeeded in Taiwan though. If not for Japan being defeated by the allies Taiwan would remain Japanese to this day. In fact Taiwanese are very pro Japan even to this day. So yeah you are right occupation can be good I guess. Lol

I think the main reason was mostly because Japan was more developed than China, and Han Chinese like to feel superior than other Han Chinese.

It is almost identical to HK.

Taiwan resident Han Chinese would like to imagine they are moral, socially, economically, ethnically superior than the rest of the Han Chinese on mainland.

This is very common in China history, as any region of China would often feel they are superior than the rest, if you look at Shanghai/Beijing, it is the same thing.

Now comes the problem, both HK and Taiwan are actually inferior than China now, and it is the reality they can not accept.

 

[A potato]

I think the main reason was mostly because Japan was more developed than China, and Han Chinese like to feel superior than other Han Chinese.

It is almost identical to HK.

Taiwan resident Han Chinese would like to imagine they are moral, socially, economically, ethnically superior than the rest of the Han Chinese on mainland.

This is very common in China history, as any region of China would often feel they are superior than the rest, if you look at Shanghai/Beijing, it is the same thing.

Now comes the problem, both HK and Taiwan are actually inferior than China now, and it is the reality they can not accept.

Mainly Coastal Han Chinese do that.

 

[Biscuits]

But they succeeded in Taiwan though. If not for Japan being defeated by the allies Taiwan would remain Japanese to this day. In fact Taiwanese are very pro Japan even to this day. So yeah you are right occupation can be good I guess. Lol

They're quite negative/ambivalent about Japan, on par with the rest of Asia.

Once Japan lost their military, no one respects or listen to them anymore.

It says here you are from London, yeah if the allies had not put out the nazis, you'd be living in reichskommisariat brittania today. And Taiwan would be imperial province of Japan.

 

[lube]

Big lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904325708001759293

 

[GodRektsNoobs]

Big lol

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904325708001759293

Ooof, somebody will be sleeping on the couch tonight.

 

[Tse]

Japan was successful in brain washing people in Taiwan because they colonized them before Chinese nationalism even awakened.

Prior to the 20th century, only elites had a sense of collective identity - commoners identified only with their local villages and towns. They had no sense of being members of a larger Chinese nation, as there was no public education, literacy, or even a shared language among lower classes. For nationalism to emerge, those conditions must first be met, and they were not met in China.

It was the Japanese that brought those ingredients to Taiwan. They introduced public education, literacy, and a shared language - Japanese. For the local Taiwanese - the back bone of DPP supporters - this was their very first experience with nation-building, but it was Japanese nation-building, designed to convert the locals into loyal Imperial Japanese subjects, and it largely worked because there was no competing national identity to erase. It's a lot easier to fill an empty glass.

This is also why the KMT had to use such oppressive policies in order to erase this Japanese identity from the Taiwanese, and why they ultimately failed to replace it with a Chinese one. Having already been indoctrinated into their first national identity of being loyal Japanese, the cognitive dissonance of then being told that they're actually Chinese and were tricked into becoming Japanese, was too much for the mind to handle.

It caused a split in Taiwanese self-identity - a fraction accepted that they're really Chinese and embraced it, while others resisted it and either held onto being Japanese, or decided they were neither Chinese nor Japanese. Compare this to mainland Chinese, who for the last century or so had an almost exclusively Chinese national experience, and it's no wonder why Taiwanese ended up this way.

True, although I should add that Taiwanese colonial era participation in Chinese nationalism did exist. In 1913, Taiwanese member of the Tongmenghui Luo Fuxing with 200 supporters were caught and executed for trying to bring the Xinhai Revolution to Taiwan. Chiang Weishui, another Taiwanese member of the Tongmenghui, also established a Taiwanese People's Party based on the KMT, with a similar flag and the Three Principles of the People. After ww2 and before the arrival of KMT authorities, Taiwanese established numerous "Preparatory Committees to Welcome the National Government" and even campaigns to learn Mandarin and distribute China flags. All of the positive relations collapsed after the KMT totally mismanaged the takeover, which is not surprising considering how badly they mismanaged the handover from the Japanese in Mainland China itself. That's why there was a saying in late 1940s Taiwan, "the dogs have left but the pigs have come" because the Japanese were seen as ferocious but the KMT was seen as rapacious. The KMT in Taiwan have a lot to answer for.

 

[TPenglake]

The nation that constructed an entire propaganda arm dedicated to promoting a holier than thou attitude towards China with respect to minority rights for almost a decade, is now going to expunge the history and contributions of African Americans, women, and Native Americans as well as other minorities from its largest network of museums, educational facilities, and research.

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[iBBz]

The nation that constructed an entire propaganda arm dedicated to promoting a holier than thou attitude towards China with respect to minority rights for almost a decade, is now going to expunge the history and contributions of African Americans, women, and Native Americans as well as other minorities from its largest network of museums, educational facilities, and research.

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Good. This will cause serious internal divisions. Next up is the executive order to nationalize Meth and bring back American jobs. HEIL FUHRER TRUMP!!! WHITE POWDER!!!

 

[horse]

Trump just screwed over all of America's closest allies.

But, that is not the shocking part.

What is the shocking part, this is only getting started.

China is doing the right thing, keep the mouth shut, do not say much.

Okay, I did not expect this post to get much of a reaction, it still got mostly laughing smileys.

If that is the case, we should dig a little deeper into it.

One chart or graph, a picture says it all.

Out of the roughly 7.5 million cars imported into the United States, only about 6.6% came from China, and probably most of that is Telsa or GM maybe.

Outside of Mexico, then those US allies are getting royally screwed over.

This is permanent too.

One salient point about tariffs that we all got to remember, is that once implemented, it is very difficult to remove them later on due to political reasons, aka vested interests.

So this is done, and it will not be reversed.

US allies like South Korea, Japan, Canada, Germany, must find a way to sell their domestically produced cars to someone else. This Trump 25% tariff is designed to shut them out of the US market.

The point here is that if the Trump administration does not like how this tariff is going, they might want to increase it more, to Chinese EV tariff rates.

The Americans are destroying the Liberal international order, that is the one they built.


This Liberal international order, much of it is ideological, wanting freedom and capitalism. But now, it is more like a big downgrade, so we do not know how this will turn out.

Trump trying to take all of Ukraine resources, that is the Liberal international order, the past and present, because it is still about freedom, aka the US will provide weapons for the Ukrainians can fight the Russians, and it is about capitalism, aka the US wants the profits from those resources.

Instead of saying freedom and capitalism, they use slogans like democracy, rules based order, for freedom, and free markets, financial liberalization, for capitalism.

A place like the United States, they still believe in that, just that they are sorely butt hurt because the Chinese are beating them at certain things.

So in a bizarre twist, the United States do not want to do the same old thing of freedom and capitalism with China, because they are getting beat, they go down the containment path to varying degrees of success.

But the United States still believes in freedom and capitalism, just that they believe it for themselves and not others, a clear sign of that is the brutality of these economic tariffs directed at their allies.

Not just Trump, it was Biden who pulled out of Afghanistan like it was nothing, who cares about how much the allies sacrificed there supporting the Americans.

Something has changed.

Something is drifting apart.

Since I am not an American, and do not follow politics, I do not know what has changed, but I think I can see the obvious.

Unlike some people in the world, like the lying Liberal media and Faux News.

 

[Ali Qizilbash]

Okay, I did not expect this post to get much of a reaction, it still got mostly laughing smileys.

If that is the case, we should dig a little deeper into it.

One chart or graph, a picture says it all.

Out of the roughly 7.5 million cars imported into the United States, only about 6.6% came from China, and probably most of that is Telsa or GM maybe.

Outside of Mexico, then those US allies are getting royally screwed over.

This is permanent too.

One salient point about tariffs that we all got to remember, is that once implemented, it is very difficult to remove them later on due to political reasons, aka vested interests.

So this is done, and it will not be reversed.

US allies like South Korea, Japan, Canada, Germany, must find a way to sell their domestically produced cars to someone else. This Trump 25% tariff is designed to shut them out of the US market.

The point here is that if the Trump administration does not like how this tariff is going, they might want to increase it more, to Chinese EV tariff rates.

The Americans are destroying the Liberal international order, that is the one they built.


This Liberal international order, much of it is ideological, wanting freedom and capitalism. But now, it is more like a big downgrade, so we do not know how this will turn out.

Trump trying to take all of Ukraine resources, that is the Liberal international order, the past and present, because it is still about freedom, aka the US will provide weapons for the Ukrainians can fight the Russians, and it is about capitalism, aka the US wants the profits from those resources.

Instead of saying freedom and capitalism, they use slogans like democracy, rules based order, for freedom, and free markets, financial liberalization, for capitalism.

A place like the United States, they still believe in that, just that they are sorely butt hurt because the Chinese are beating them at certain things.

So in a bizarre twist, the United States do not want to do the same old thing of freedom and capitalism with China, because they are getting beat, they go down the containment path to varying degrees of success.

But the United States still believes in freedom and capitalism, just that they believe it for themselves and not others, a clear sign of that is the brutality of these economic tariffs directed at their allies.

Not just Trump, it was Biden who pulled out of Afghanistan like it was nothing, who cares about how much the allies sacrificed there supporting the Americans.

Something has changed.

Something is drifting apart.

Since I am not an American, and do not follow politics, I do not know what has changed, but I think I can see the obvious.

Unlike some people in the world, like the lying Liberal media and Faux News.

Nothing has changed in reality. It was always about interests. But was sugar quoted all along only for appearences for lesser nations.

Right now it is like a Hungry wolf pack and doing exactly what a Hungry wolf pack does.