Z-10 thread

[FugitiveVisions]

GI Zhou I'm not doubting your sources or your translation but simply raising a point about the future engine for the WZ-10.

Your argument that the Chinese are looking to reverse engineer the powerplant on the Z-15 doesn't make sense, because the WZ-10 and the Z-15 have the same powerplant, PT6C-67C, and the Chinese already have their hands on those. Plus, reverse engineering can't be done overnight, so if this is really the route that the Chinese would like to go, then you are looking at an additional 2 year delay for the WZ-10 project.

The Chinese must view this project as a luxury if it allows it to be delayed that long. After all, they do have the Z-9G, which can also carry 8 ATGMs. Talk about a bottleneck for a project though.

 

[crobato]

I cannot imagine that the Chinese would not have foreseen the possibility the PW engines would be cut off. They would have their options, and probably have some sort of reverse engineering project the moment they got their hands on the first engine. Note they're appearing to reverse engineer the Blackhawk, given the model they've shown on an airshow. And yet another option is that they may get a similar engine somewhere else, European, Russian or Ukrainian. That may also cost delays but the delay period won't be as long as reverse engineering the engine completely.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

BFD if anyone is a super - moderator what ever that means. My work is used by Sinodefence.com in the ground systems and more than one person in the forum has quoted some of my articles and even worse plagarised what I wrote in the journals. All I am saying is don't atatck the information in a translation if it doesn't fit in with your view of the world. As for four pylons it means crap. Distance between individual missiles, aerodynamic lift from the fins, harmonics from air passing over the ordnance and pylons themselves, fatigue problems on the outer pylon stubs the effect of motors, weap[ons seperation on launch, all have a bearing, even if the ordnance can fit on the launcher on the ground.

Z-10 is still secret so no one else except PLA and Hu man knows about its performance etc...Whats wrong with my translation??? Wasnt great but it aint too shabby. No one knows if Z-10 might be exported in future who knows maybe your right...from what it seems most PLA weapons have export variants of some kind.

 

[daveman]

I honestly cannot believe (I do) that China only has some 500 helos in the country.

That is pathetic.

I mean, what the heck? 500 helos in all of China? WTF?

How the heck is this not a priority??!!!!

They need to fricking haul ass and get a move on those WZ10s.

Even then, the first generation will most likely be inferior to the Apache, so it will take a few more generations to refine and improve the product.

They need to get it moving, NOW!

 

[tphuang]

I honestly cannot believe (I do) that China only has some 500 helos in the country.

That is pathetic.

I mean, what the heck? 500 helos in all of China? WTF?

How the heck is this not a priority??!!!!

They need to fricking haul ass and get a move on those WZ10s.

Even then, the first generation will most likely be inferior to the Apache, so it will take a few more generations to refine and improve the product.

They need to get it moving, NOW!

alright, daveman, while I appreciate your views, you have to watch your language, because it's getting close to profanities.

 

[ba12]

as a matter of interest can anyone shed some light on the lack of helicopters in china especially the pla. please no lame excuse like "lack of funds" because all they have to do is divert from t-bills

 

[Pointblank]

as a matter of interest can anyone shed some light on the lack of helicopters in china especially the pla. please no lame excuse like "lack of funds" because all they have to do is divert from t-bills

The Chinese have had a severe lack of access to helicopters and helicopter technology up until the 1990's. Even then, the Chinese haven't fully developed the tactics and the mindset to fully appreciate the usefulness of helicopters as the Russians and the Americans have.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

as a matter of interest can anyone shed some light on the lack of helicopters in china especially the pla. please no lame excuse like "lack of funds" because all they have to do is divert from t-bills

Divert from tax what from the already poor, hungry civilians, you must be crazy. China doesnt work like US. They only began to have some sort of budget during mid 1990's so they had like 10years worth of decent spending. So with that short 10years that had to make fighters, frigates, destroyers, ssk, ssn, ssbn, aam, radar, satellite, engines, cruise missle, avionics....So they have been very busy, so one area was left out the transport.

(I KNOW THESE PROJECTS STARTED IN THE 80's)

China has done this in 10~20 years what took, US 50 years

 

[Pointblank]

Divert from tax what from the already poor, hungry civilians, you must be crazy. China doesnt work like US. They only began to have some sort of budget during mid 1990's so they had like 10years worth of decent spending. So with that short 10years that had to make fighters, frigates, destroyers, ssk, ssn, ssbn, aam, radar, satellite, engines, cruise missle, avionics....So they have been very busy, so one area was left out the transport.

(I KNOW THESE PROJECTS STARTED IN THE 80's)

China has done this in 10~20 years what took, US 50 years

The US first pioneered the use of helicopters and the initial development of helicopter tactics. Hardly a comparison.

Furthermore, an army is useless without adequate transportation, both ground and airborne. Lack of mobility has been a very pressing issue for the PLA.

 

[baldo]

as a matter of interest can anyone shed some light on the lack of helicopters in china especially the pla. please no lame excuse like "lack of funds" because all they have to do is divert from t-bills

1. The traditional think of a "Great Army" in PLA, here Army means Land Force only, and sometime even means Soldier on FOOT only. So,any flying toyes are threats to those generals' 'baby'--Tanks and Guns. (Even sometime, any machine is not thought to be reliable,only men and their guns are trusted). Heli? Cut them off and we need more tanks.

2. Then talk about Air Force. From AF's eyes, any thing flying should be controled by AF. So, Army's wing? they are threat, and cut them off.

3. Low level air space is not open to public, so few civil aviation of heli.

4. The Aero-industry,
Z-6 failed because of no proper reliable engine.
Z-7 abandoned for Z-8, and engine is problem.
Z-8 reverse-engineered for thirty years and in this thirty years built less than 30! Engine and transmission are problems too!!!
Z-9 lisenced built, and what a pity, engines and transmissions still still met so many problems......
Z-11, even PLA do not like it, they profer HC-120.

So, most of their Heli have to be imported.