Yuan Class AIP & Kilo Submarine Thread

[Hyperwarp]

mighty fine looking sub!!!

 

[balance]

This might be a good analysis. WSJ is not usually reliable. Try this one, though.

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[Blitzo]

My favourite part:

Beijing isn’t likely to try matching the U.S. sub force, having studied the way the Cold War arms race drained the Soviet Union’s finances. “We’re not that stupid,” says retired Maj. Gen. Xu Guangyu, a former vice president of the People’s Liberation Army Defense Institute.

Although I never knew china announced to other nations that it had sent an SSN to the Indian Ocean. I don't even think most navies reveal the deployments of their submarines like that. Transparency?

 

[StopSquarkS]

I found this to be of some interest:

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Dean Cheng mentioned how IFF might be a problem with the number of subs in the Western Pacific. How big a problem would it be? Especially for boats like Kilos that are being operated by multiple actors?

 

[Lethe]

My favourite part:

Beijing isn’t likely to try matching the U.S. sub force, having studied the way the Cold War arms race drained the Soviet Union’s finances. “We’re not that stupid,” says retired Maj. Gen. Xu Guangyu, a former vice president of the People’s Liberation Army Defense Institute.

Good reply, but in the long run there's no reason why China can't match the US submarine fleet even whilst maintaining considerably lower military spending as a proportion of GDP, particularly given that probably half of China's submarine fleet will remain cheap diesel boats costing probably less than one-third as much as USN's nuclear boats. It's the United States that is potentially in the former Soviet position of having its finances drained by an arms race with China, not the other way around.

 

[Blitzo]

I just like the way the answer was phrased. the answer of "we're not that stupid" gives the subtext that it is stupid for anyone to even consider it.

I agree that there's no reason the PLAN won't have as many submarines overall compared to the USN, considering the PLAN is heavily skewed to SSKs while the USN is a wholly SSN fleet. I think the answer was in the context of PLAN matching USN SSN/SSBN numbers, whcih would be folly and needless.
I also think that once contractors are able to develop a modern design (whenever that is), the PLAN should not hesitate to invest heavily in such vessels, even possibly at the expense of a slight decrease in surface combatant commissioning rate; that said I expect by that time, the PLAN's surface fleet will be almost wholly modernized anyway.

 

[cyan1320]

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China may launch this year a new class of submarines carrying fully armed nuclear missiles for the first time -- so-called boomers -- according to the Wall Street Journal, which cited a report by the U.S. Office of Naval Intelligence, or ONI.

 

[Blitzo]

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Wrong thread, we have one for 093/094.

And as always, non specialist media get things wrong.

The first 094 was launched years ago, it's just that they will probably get their JL-2 missiles this year or soon.

 

[ladioussupp]

It shows a rudder of the latest 039 submarine. Is it possible to attach a towed sonar array to the top end of the rudder?

 

[Equation]

It shows a rudder of the latest 039 submarine. Is it possible to attach a towed sonar array to the top end of the rudder?

I doubt it, still too close to the screw (propeller) to be efficient.