Yuan Class AIP & Kilo Submarine Thread

[broadsword]

Maybe not best thread for this, but again we have rumors about China purchasing Amur 1650

The credibility is somewhat adulterated by the statement

There’s also talk of a Chinese supersonic submarine that could cross the pacific in less than 100 minutes.

 

[asif iqbal]

According several accurate infos... now 12 Yuans 340/341 are in service in two Flotillas, i presume number up to end 2013, normaly 2 Yuans build by year for a class with about 20 units seems planned.

And on English Wikipedia i see 13 Yuans, and on Chinese version 12+, with one of this year 13 can make sense.

And this new could be belong at this new version 039B+ # 342 ?

Any of the Romeo Class still in service or serving as training submarines?

So I count 12 x Kilos
13 x Song
And 13+ x Yuan

That's 38+ pretty modern SSK and that's a good force

 

[Lethe]

This may not be the best place to ask, but why do Chinese submarines not have names as their surface combatants do?

 

[wtlh]

This may not be the best place to ask, but why do Chinese submarines not have names as their surface combatants do?

I think the most plausible reason is for

a) Secrecy. Submarines are supposed to be low key and stealthy. Numbers are harder for people to remember or to make a particular boat stand out than names. I.e. names makes particular vessels unique in human psychology. When a surface combatant is given a name---town or city, there are usually a ceremony held in the said town/city and a "bond" is formed between the vessel and the town/city.

b) Tradition. It used to be, back in the days they were first introduced, that the submarines do not operate alone, but fight in squadrons or wolf-packs. So like the FACs they do not have individual names, but just have hull numbers. In Chinese submarines are classified as "艇", i.e. "boat", rather than "舰" (ship), and I think only ships are given names.

 

[Lethe]

I agree that these are the most likely reasons, but both seem rather outdated to me.

On the subject of secrecy, most other nations (US, Russia, Japan, etc.) give their submarines names. The no-name policy seems most suited to a force that wishes to disguise the true extent of its capabilities, or lack thereof. This hardly seems necessary for China today when she has both a large and reasonably modern force.

The similarity with FACs also seems outdated, particularly when it comes to SSNs and SSBNs. The 094 SSBNs are larger than 052D destroyers! Even the Kilo and Yuan type SSKs are significantly larger than the 056 corvettes which are given names.

My opinion is of no relevance, but I would be glad to see this policy disappear, and these platforms earn just the psychological connection you refer to, befitting their importance to the nation.

 

[SamuraiBlue]

This may not be the best place to ask, but why do Chinese submarines not have names as their surface combatants do?

Isn't it just a matter of tradition, Germany didn't christen their U-boats during WW1~WW2 either.

 

[antiterror13]

Maybe not best thread for this, but again we have rumors about China purchasing Amur 1650

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No Lada or Amur has been built yet and I understand Russia has has problems with the design ..... I would be very surprised if China did sign the contract .. I am not sure this Amur is better than Yuan, remember this baby hasn't been built while Yuan number is already 13 and counting

 

[snake65]

No Lada or Amur has been built yet and I understand Russia has has problems with the design ..... I would be very surprised if China did sign the contract .. I am not sure this Amur is better than Yuan, remember this baby hasn't been built while Yuan number is already 13 and counting

There is a single Lada built and it has been on trials for at least the last 5 years. But there is still no AIP on it, albeit Russians claim that they have finished laboratory tests for their AIP and are building a ship-based module for trials on Lada boat.

 

[tphuang]

No Lada or Amur has been built yet and I understand Russia has has problems with the design ..... I would be very surprised if China did sign the contract .. I am not sure this Amur is better than Yuan, remember this baby hasn't been built while Yuan number is already 13 and counting

It's pretty clear why China would be interested in Lada design. China would like access to single hull design of Amur and noise isolation technology that Russian have. China would like to incorporate that with it's own electronics, weaponry and AIP technogy. That's why it takes a long time for a contract like this to come together if it ever does. China is proposing to create a new submarine using the hull technology of Amur. I'm not sure how comfortable Russia is with the term that China would like to see.

 

[by78]

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