Yuan Class AIP & Kilo Submarine Thread

[aahyan]

It might not add much value for China but it would make a lot of sense for someone like Pakistan, Algeria or Venezuela who are geographically quire close to their potential adversaries. It would be an incredible upgrade to Cambodia or Bangladesh.

As per news circulating around PN circles, they're keenly overseeing the emergence of this type as an low cost option to counter INs SSN threat (capable of completing most, if not all, of the jobs that SSNs can).

Type 41 (SSK-N) is the ideal option as it fulfils the requirements of PNs three layer defense strategy by employing ultramodern/modern SSPs/SSKs, SSK-Ns in three distinct tonnage categories (Light, Medium, and Heavy). Given that PN is in advance stage of finalizing the type/design for its shallow water SSPs (Fincantieri S-1000/STM-500).

- S1000 - Shallow Water AIP-SSP (Light)
- A90Bs - SSKs (Light/Medium)
- 039Bs - SSKs (Medium)
- 041?? - SSK/N (Medium/Heavy)

IMO, with above said (if accomplished) there isn't any need of heavy SSN for PN.

 

[tphuang]

As per news circulating around PN circles, they're keenly overseeing the emergence of this type as an low cost option to counter INs SSN threat (capable of completing most, if not all, of the jobs that SSNs can).

Type 41 (SSK-N) is the ideal option as it fulfils the requirements of PNs three layer defense strategy by employing ultramodern/modern SSPs/SSKs, SSK-Ns in three distinct tonnage categories (Light, Medium, and Heavy). Given that PN is in advance stage of finalizing the type/design for its shallow water SSPs (Fincantieri S-1000/STM-500).

- S1000 - Shallow Water AIP-SSP (Light)
- A90Bs - SSKs (Light/Medium)
- 039Bs - SSKs (Medium)
- 041?? - SSK/N (Medium/Heavy)

IMO, with above said (if accomplished) there isn't any need of heavy SSN for PN.

So while this makes sense for PN, it's not something that PLAN needs.

I guess this would make sense as an export focused project.

 

[aahyan]

So while this makes sense for PN, it's not something that PLAN needs.

Otherwise, Shipyard won't develop, construct, and launch a type unless it receives funding from the government or an interested country.

 

[pesoleati]

maybe the next one will be 03-11 instead of 041

 

[lcloo]

maybe the next one will be 03-11 instead of 041

Or it could be type 09-XX if it is nuclear powered. Type 09-X, with single digit X are for large ocean going nuclear powered subs, and Type 09-XX with 2 digit XX for small/mini nuclear powered subs.

Type 09-X(even number) are boomer with nucleat tip missiles, and type 09-X(odd number) are attack subs with-out nuclear tip missiles.

This follows the traditional practice of PLAN allocating single digit after the Type number for large ships and 2 digits for small ships. The smaller the ships the more digits are allocated.

Just my two cents. We shall wait and see.

 

[antiterror13]

maybe the next one will be 03-11 instead of 041

I would be very surprised if it was the case

 

[LuzinskiJ]

I honestly don’t see that much value in putting VLS in a new conventional sub. That space would be much better utilized for additional battery storage and propulsion system. Endurance is the issue with conventional subs. China has so much missile launching platforms. You don’t get a lot of additional usage cases with VLS.

I think I do. Having VLS on submarines increases its effective deterrence radius in that ships or a subs need to worry about a underwater hunter further afield than the max heavy torpedo range of, say 40 nm. Which would mean a larger dispersal of detection and defense perimeter potentially leaving unsecured gaps. For example an SSK (not sure if this term applies here) with VLS and AIP can have a range of about1500 nm and endurance of around 14-20 days. Which means it can sail to into the western part of the Philippine sea and threaten ashm and cruise missiles launch platforms with its own ashm and asroc. And if you have multiple of those on station at the time of conflict, then the job for hunting and defeating them will necessary either divert or add assets for said purpose thereby complicating the C5ISR picture. So with sub VLS on a SSK that is also ubiquitous (i.e. cheap to run and produce), you can disrupt an enemy's overall offensive posture to a discernable degree.

 

[tphuang]

I think I do. Having VLS on submarines increases its effective deterrence radius in that ships or a subs need to worry about a underwater hunter further afield than the max heavy torpedo range of, say 40 nm. Which would mean a larger dispersal of detection and defense perimeter potentially leaving unsecured gaps. For example an SSK (not sure if this term applies here) with VLS and AIP can have a range of about1500 nm and endurance of around 14-20 days. Which means it can sail to into the western part of the Philippine sea and threaten ashm and cruise missiles launch platforms with its own ashm and asroc. And if you have multiple of those on station at the time of conflict, then the job for hunting and defeating them will necessary either divert or add assets for said purpose thereby complicating the C5ISR picture. So with sub VLS on a SSK that is also ubiquitous (i.e. cheap to run and produce), you can disrupt an enemy's overall offensive posture to a discernable degree.

This is not a realistic scenario. Yuan transits in periscope depth. Once it transits that long, it will get detected really quickly.

 

[bebops]

Recently we have seen the launch of the x rudder submarine.

I think 095 submarine will looked like the x-rudder conventional submarine except it will be nuclear powered and able to launch hypersonic missiles? Those are the only differences.. Who thinks there will be more major upgrades to the radar or sonar system?

 

[LuzinskiJ]

This is not a realistic scenario. Yuan transits in periscope depth. Once it transits that long, it will get detected really quickly.

I am not directly referring to type 039 as it is diesel electric and may need to transit at P-depth because of that reason. I am talking about the new ones with x-rudder that is being referred in previous posts which I hope have something other propulsion means to obviate from traveling at P-depth. And if that is the case, I am saying there is merit in having VLS in that sub even if it is not nuclear.