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Franklin

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The Israeli's and Arabs have different religions, culture, languages and they look different. But these differences are only skin deep. there is a story that the Israeli biological warfare department wanted to create a agent that only affects Arabs but not Jews. They in the end had to abandone the program because genetically the Jew and the Arab are almost identical that they are like cousins or half brothers. And there are also cultural and religious similarities as well they both don't eat pork, they both circumcise their sons and there are similarities in the Hebrew and Arabic languages. It something like the difference between English and German. The conflict in the end is about who owns the land and the minimal differences at how they pray to God.

For China and Taiwan the people on both side of the strait are the same. They are both 100% Chinese although after more than 60 years of separation they each have developed their unique cultural distinctions the most obvious is that they have a different style in the written language. The claim that some one is a "Chinese" or "Taiwanese" or "Hongkongese" is only a political statement as there are a lot of people in Taiwan and Hongkong that wants to see them selfs separate from the "Mainland Chinese". And i think what has also contributed to better relationships between China and Taiwan in comparison to North and South Korea, India and Pakistan and the Israeli's and the Arabs is also in large part due to geography. They are separated by the 161km wide Taiwan Strait. That has helped to reduce the tensions a lot as it has lessen the threat perceptions on both sides.
 
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jackliu

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The Israeli's and Arabs have different religions, culture, languages and they look different. But these differences are only skin deep. there is a story that the Israeli biological warfare department wanted to create a agent that only affects Arabs but not Jews. They in the end had to abandone the program because genetically the Jew and the Arab are almost identical that they are like cousins or half brothers. And there are also cultural and religious similarities as well they both don't eat pork, they both circumcise their sons and there are similarities in the Hebrew and Arabic languages. It something like the difference between English and German. The conflict in the end is about who owns the land and the minimal differences at how they pray to God.

For China and Taiwan the people on both side of the strait are the same. They are both 100% Chinese although after more than 60 years of separation they each have developed their unique cultural distinctions the most obvious is that they have a different style in the written language. The claim that some one is a "Chinese" or "Taiwanese" or "Hongkongese" is only a political statement as there are a lot of people in Taiwan and Hongkong that wants to see them selfs separate from the "Mainland Chinese". And i think what has also contributed to better relationships between China and Taiwan in comparison to North and South Korea, India and Pakistan and the Israeli's and the Arabs is also in large part due to geography. They are separated by the 161km wide Taiwan Strait. That has helped to reduce the tensions a lot as it has lessen the threat perceptions on both sides.

I call bull on this, go do some research before you type, see how many bloody skirmish both side fought after 1949. Peace did not come naturally, peace come after some diplomatic compromise over many years which both side were able to work out. Before 1980 the tension between both side was just as bad as North and South Korea. It seems you only look at what the situation today and without any research attribute that to "inevitability".
 

solarz

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I call bull on this, go do some research before you type, see how many bloody skirmish both side fought after 1949. Peace did not come naturally, peace come after some diplomatic compromise over many years which both side were able to work out. Before 1980 the tension between both side was just as bad as North and South Korea. It seems you only look at what the situation today and without any research attribute that to "inevitability".

You're ignoring the fact that peace came after the Communists realized that they did not have the capability of mounting an amphibious assault on Taiwan with the US 7th fleet parked in that 16km strait.

Honestly, if Taiwan wasn't an island, it would have long been recovered.
 

jackliu

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You're ignoring the fact that peace came after the Communists realized that they did not have the capability of mounting an amphibious assault on Taiwan with the US 7th fleet parked in that 16km strait.

Honestly, if Taiwan wasn't an island, it would have long been recovered.

Well CCP already realize this after the Korean war, so why did it take them another 30 years to act on it? And you really think they don't have the ability to take over TW by force if they REALLY wanted to after they developed nuclear weapons?
 

Franklin

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I call bull on this, go do some research before you type, see how many bloody skirmish both side fought after 1949. Peace did not come naturally, peace come after some diplomatic compromise over many years which both side were able to work out. Before 1980 the tension between both side was just as bad as North and South Korea. It seems you only look at what the situation today and without any research attribute that to "inevitability".

I never said that the Taiwan Strait is the ONLY contributing factor toward a more peaceful relationship between China and Taiwan compared to those other examples i have mentioned. But its only one of many factors and without the Taiwan Strait there would have been no China Taiwan conflict today because the situation for the Nationalists would have been untenable. Since they cannot defend a land border against China. You are right that the situation that China and Taiwan is in today mainly comes from the political decisions and diplomatic compromises that have been made both in Beijing and Taipei. They have both wisely chosen cooperation over conflict and they have mutually benefited from that decision. But you cannot ignore the role the strait have played in this.
 
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solarz

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Well CCP already realize this after the Korean war, so why did it take them another 30 years to act on it? And you really think they don't have the ability to take over TW by force if they REALLY wanted to after they developed nuclear weapons?

Not sure what you're trying to say here. The CCP "lost" Taiwan after the Korean War intervention, because the US sent the 7th Fleet to the strait. It took them 30 years to being normalizing relations with the KMT because that's how long it took for Deng to start implementing his reforms.

I hope you were joking about the nuclear weapons comment.
 

jackliu

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Not sure what you're trying to say here. The CCP "lost" Taiwan after the Korean War intervention, because the US sent the 7th Fleet to the strait. It took them 30 years to being normalizing relations with the KMT because that's how long it took for Deng to start implementing his reforms.

I hope you were joking about the nuclear weapons comment.

I'm saying if you think China have no choice but to use diplomacy only because US send the 7th Fleet. Then why did it take China 30 years to realize that? It is clear to me that they made a decision to changed the course on how they want to deal with TW, instead of intimidation and threats, Deng turned the page to use culture and trade to win them over. And this changing of course is what China did and Israel fail to do.

I didn't say China should use Nuke on TW, I'm saying it is possible for China to want invade TW anyway and not suffer from US aggression because they have nukes. So in the end it would come down to will US risk WW3 to protect TW from Chinese invasion? I'm sure this is something Mao have thought about, but in the end he didn't do it, however it would been possible for the other outcome to happen, Mao was just crazy enough for the job.
 

solarz

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I'm saying if you think China have no choice but to use diplomacy only because US send the 7th Fleet. Then why did it take China 30 years to realize that? It is clear to me that they made a decision to changed the course on how they want to deal with TW, instead of intimidation and threats, Deng turned the page to use culture and trade to win them over. And this changing of course is what China did and Israel fail to do.

I didn't say China should use Nuke on TW, I'm saying it is possible for China to want invade TW anyway and not suffer from US aggression because they have nukes. So in the end it would come down to will US risk WW3 to protect TW from Chinese invasion? I'm sure this is something Mao have thought about, but in the end he didn't do it, however it would been possible for the other outcome to happen, Mao was just crazy enough for the job.

First of all, Mao was not crazy. Anyone who thinks Mao was crazy does not understand modern Chinese history very well. Mao was a brilliant military strategist and a ruthless politician.

Second, the thawing of relations came after 30 years of military stalemate. This stalemate was created precisely because of the Taiwan strait. Therefore, Franklin was perfectly correct in saying that the presence of this natural barrier contributed to better relationship between the two sides.
 

Equation

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Re: China will build the tallest building in the world, will only take 90 days to do

Impressive. They have done it to build 30 story building in just 15 days !

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I would love to see it get build. But first it would have to go through all the process to get a permit to build and than several months to a year for the foundation to be completely set.
 
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