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[AssassinsMace]

Translation of negotiations between Obama and Abe.

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[Mr T]

There is absolutely no doubt that Japan will feel bold to stir up trouble now.

Why? Remember, Japan doesn't have to do anything - it already administers the Senkaku islands.

This is good for China, as Obama's statement removes any doubt in Chinese leaders' mind about America's role being an adversarial one.

The US has been fairly consistent in saying the Senkakus were covered by the US-Japan treaty. He was merely removing doubt from those that didn't believe the US was serious. And the Chinese political elite decided long ago that America was its enemy.

With that being the case, it would be advantageous for China to do the latter and disarm Japan first

How exactly do you propose to disarm Japan? Nuclear weapons? Invasion and occupation? Actions like that would result in serious economic sanctions against China from some of its biggest trade partners (even Russia would be worried), not just American military intervention.

He also said that the stance on the Diaoyu Island may be retracted if no breakthrough is achieved regarding the TPP talk.

Sorry, Obama said that? Can you link me and post a quote from him?

We'll see Obama open to negotiations with China before there's any agreement with Japan because that's when Japan will have second thoughts.

I wouldn't hold your breath for a serious Sino-American trade agreement. The US is likely to agree something with Japan sooner, especially as Japan is not seen as a threat by American politicians. However, the TPP is multi-lateral, so it's difficult to say exactly when it will go through.

I also don't see China really opening itself up to American services, which would be another sticking point.

 

[AssassinsMace]

I wouldn't hold your breath for a serious Sino-American trade agreement. The US is likely to agree something with Japan sooner, especially as Japan is not seen as a threat by American politicians. However, the TPP is multi-lateral, so it's difficult to say exactly when it will go through.

I also don't see China really opening itself up to American services, which would be another sticking point.

I'm not holding my breath. I'm just stating the fact how the Japanese know they can get what they want from the US and can hold out because of how important Japan plays against China for the US.

BTW, I'm not for China joining TPP. TPP is a roadblock by Obama to stop any FTA in Asia that doesn't include the US. TPP has always been about China and won't work without China. It's the grand game Obama believes he's playing because he thinks isolation will make China come begging. What's TPP without China? It's why they never did this before and that is a bunch of export-dependent smaller economies selling to the US and not the other way around. TPP is about US gaining access to China.

 

[MwRYum]

I'm not holding my breath. I'm just stating the fact how the Japanese know they can get what they want from the US and can hold out because of how important Japan plays against China for the US.

BTW, I'm not for China joining TPP. TPP is a roadblock by Obama to stop any FTA in Asia that doesn't include the US. TPP has always been about China and won't work without China. It's the grand game Obama believes he's playing because he thinks isolation will make China come begging. What's TPP without China? It's why they never did this before and that is a bunch of export-dependent smaller economies selling to the US and not the other way around. TPP is about US gaining access to China.

While the TPP stated off as something else, when the US took over the initiative it became the economic arm of its China encirclement policies, it's just part of the "New Cold War" initiatives. The US wants China to fall apart like the USSR, not come begging. They didn't do it before because back then China still irrelevant and the US focused in the Middle East, then after 2008 when the US wants to shift focus back to Asia, China has grown into something else, a power though not enough to challenge the US on equal footing but significant enough to be warrant a threat to its dominance.

 

[Engineer]

Why? Remember, Japan doesn't have to do anything - it already administers the Senkaku islands.

And China is administrating the Diaoyutai islands. When it comes to territory disputes, Japan's does not have true and full administration power over those territories, and that's why there have been so many petty stunts from Japan over the past years, stunts such as purchasing territories from herself. These petty stunts are what heightening tensions over the years, and will defintely increase with Obama's blank cheques.

The US has been fairly consistent in saying the Senkakus were covered by the US-Japan treaty. He was merely removing doubt from those that didn't believe the US was serious. And the Chinese political elite decided long ago that America was its enemy.

Between US and China, the only one that is treating the other as an enemy is the US. China does not come up with policy after policy with the aim to limit the other country's freedom. The same cannot be said for US actions where the list goes on and on and on. Obama's statement is a great wake up call to those within Chinese government that still fantasize about cooperation with the US.

How exactly do you propose to disarm Japan? Nuclear weapons? Invasion and occupation? Actions like that would result in serious economic sanctions against China from some of its biggest trade partners (even Russia would be worried), not just American military intervention.

First, being trading partners means one can't hurt the other economically without suffering equal consequence. That is why the so called sanctions against Russia are merely asset freeze and travel bans. Russia knows this and that's why she doesn't give a damn. Second, America's promise of intervention is what would make disarming Japan a priority for China if shooting breaks out. Additional threat will only serve as additional reasons to elevate that priority during an armed conflict. Thirdly, when it comes to options, China has plenty available without having to resort to nuclear or physical invasion. The range, sophistication and capabilities of these options will only increase as each year passes. That is why US and Japan are so keen on starting a conflict with China now, whereas China is keen on passing the conflict to the next generation.

 

[Jeff Head]

Guys, no more talk about China disarming Japan, and open warfare between Japan and China or the US and China.

Such actions would lead to a very major war in the Western Pacific that could easily turn into a world war with disastrous consequences for all.

It is all speculation, and a good part of it is nationalistic fervor and chest thumping on both sides, and it must stop now.

This is a world news thread, not a place to project regional or world war.

Thanks.

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[TerraN_EmpirE]

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[Miragedriver]

China accused of anti-Christian campaign as church demolition begins

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[delft]

The Dutch radio station BNR says today that the number of dumps of waste from the production of illegal drugs like ecstasy the first months of this year in The Netherlands is more than twice that in the same period last year. This country is one a the big producers and exporters of these drugs so it suggests that the consumption in probably a large part of the Western world is growing at a similar rate.

 

[ManilaBoy45]

Obama Warns China, Backs Philippines

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By Stephen Collinson
1 hour ago

Manila (AFP) - US President Barack Obama ended an Asian tour Tuesday with a warning to China against using force to resolve territorial disputes, and an "ironclad" promise of military support for the Philippines.Obama used an address to US and Filipino troops in Manila to again voice concern over the increasingly tense maritime rows between China and US allies in the region, an issue that has dominated his four-nation trip."We believe that nations and peoples have the right to live in security and peace, to have their sovereignty and territorial integrity respected," Obama said.

"We believe that international law must be upheld, that freedom of navigation must be preserved and commerce must not be impeded. We believe that disputes must be resolved peacefully and not by intimidation or force."And Obama sought on Tuesday to reassure the Philippines that the United States would back its ally in the event of being attacked, citing a 1951 mutual defence treaty between the two nations."This treaty means our two nations pledge, and I am quoting, 'our common determination to defend themselves from external armed attacks'," Obama said"And no potential aggressor can be under the illusion that either of them stands alone. In other words, our commitment to defend the Philippines is ironclad. The United States will keep that commitment because allies will never stand alone."