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However I don't like the racist tones that she has, and that's what I refer to the blame.


Pfff...we get that here a lot lately in the US with some idiots spouting "don't buy made in China crap" and blah...blah...blah. Heck I bet the Japanese are doing it as well, so no difference there if a Chinese teenage is doing it.
 

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Again I blame the society, the media, and the social pressure that affects it. I'm totally fine with consumer protectionism. No comment, you get my giant thumbs up. However I don't like the racist tones that she has, and that's what I refer to the blame.

no different than my grandmother who participated in the boycott of Japanese cigarette in Shanghai after Japan invaded Manchuria. a grass-root economic mean to achieve a just political end. whether such boycott is meaningful or not is a different question.
 
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Pfff...we get that here a lot lately in the US with some idiots spouting "don't buy made in China crap" and blah...blah...blah. Heck I bet the Japanese are doing it as well, so no difference there if a Chinese teenage is doing it.

I always hate the argument of "others are doing it". Just because they're doing it doesn't mean they're right, or make them right, and even more that doesn't provide us in any definite legitimate reasons to do what we do. We're responsible for our own actions. Others can influence us, but shifting ALL the blame on others as reason for why we do what we do is basically us attempting to neglect or argue we don't possess any responsibilities for our own actions. In a sense, it's also self-insulting because that's same as arguing the narrator doesn't possess sufficient self-control, intelligence, and power to control his own hands to do certain things. And unless you're schizophrenic, hallucinating, or having DID, that's an invalid argument.

Appeals to the mass is a fallacy.
 
no different than my grandmother who participated in the boycott of Japanese cigarette in Shanghai after Japan invaded Manchuria. a grass-root economic mean to achieve a just political end. whether such boycott is meaningful or not is a different question.

Hate to get technical, but for this action as example, let's call it this way. We have to identify why an action happens.

1. If someone does it in sense of protectionism, that means with preference to where their money goes, and with the goal of supporting local economy, then there's nothing wrong with this action.

2. If action is meant to be a punishment, sanction, deliver political message or economical message, or to stop, or not to support a war effort, then again that's legitimate and morally correct.

3. If the action is done because of racism, extreme hatred, or perhaps fictionally "I hate them so much I'd rather not spare a single cent on their items, so as it adds up, the loss of profit from the amount of business they lose from me becomes so significant, that can send one more of the people from that group, into the streets", then this is not morally correct. Racism shouldn't be justified because it's essentially the idea of hate, and while some argues yea they wronged us first, then my question is, does that still make hatred or racism, in any way, a legitimate thing?

Racism is never right, but people does it because it makes them feel better, or good, about themselves or as a way to take revenge on the other party, or because they deem the party as morally wrong. However in whichever ways anyone can try to spin that, no one can ever legitimize racism into a legitimate or a morally right platform.(reasons being me having explained above). For some it can be moral compensation, and for some, it's simply an excuse to release bad acts in the guise with something legitimate.

And again some people may argue it's justice that they are serving, but then again what is justice? And is it justice to do such a thing? Or, in another way to put it, is there justice in racism?

This also expands into the concept of justice being a dangerous thing because justice is subjective, while perhaps what we should look at is the concept of "fairness", which comes from the examination of the whole picture. And finally, if only people understand the roots of the causes as the instruments, and not the actual on-the-ground characters.

I'm not targeting anyone here as we speak, so I hope no one takes it personally. Thank You.
 

AssassinsMace

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Well you can't expect teenagers to grasp the concepts of gas-mileage, rate of depreciation, service plan, warranty package, product reliabilty and stuff like that...but like the half-joke I once told my uncle when he bought his Volkswagan Pasat - it's German brand so he's safe!

You forget the Honda in China is built in China. Same as every other car. So brand name is just a name in China.
 

MwRYum

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Neither can you say it to the filthy rich who buy Rolls Royces.

That's like those who buys Virtu cellphones instead of iPhone or Galaxy S4 or whatever top-of-the-line kit, functionality and practicality ain't on the agenda, but the mark of prestige associated with such.

Still, it offers more practical value than that youth's naive and preceptive nationalism. For me, the only reason I don't want to get a Japanese brand car in China would be "I don't want my car get smashed by angry mobs".
 

Equation

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I always hate the argument of "others are doing it". Just because they're doing it doesn't mean they're right, or make them right, and even more that doesn't provide us in any definite legitimate reasons to do what we do. We're responsible for our own actions. Others can influence us, but shifting ALL the blame on others as reason for why we do what we do is basically us attempting to neglect or argue we don't possess any responsibilities for our own actions. In a sense, it's also self-insulting because that's same as arguing the narrator doesn't possess sufficient self-control, intelligence, and power to control his own hands to do certain things. And unless you're schizophrenic, hallucinating, or having DID, that's an invalid argument.

Appeals to the mass is a fallacy.

It's called pay back...to hit back hard to make them stop. When they stop hitting, we stop hitting. That simple. You don't let bullies hit you and talk smack at you and get away with it do you? Does the crowd around you really cares about your philosophy at that time and moment? No they don't.
 

Equation

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Hate to get technical, but for this action as example, let's call it this way. We have to identify why an action happens.

1. If someone does it in sense of protectionism, that means with preference to where their money goes, and with the goal of supporting local economy, then there's nothing wrong with this action.

2. If action is meant to be a punishment, sanction, deliver political message or economical message, or to stop, or not to support a war effort, then again that's legitimate and morally correct.

3. If the action is done because of racism, extreme hatred, or perhaps fictionally "I hate them so much I'd rather not spare a single cent on their items, so as it adds up, the loss of profit from the amount of business they lose from me becomes so significant, that can send one more of the people from that group, into the streets", then this is not morally correct. Racism shouldn't be justified because it's essentially the idea of hate, and while some argues yea they wronged us first, then my question is, does that still make hatred or racism, in any way, a legitimate thing?

Racism is never right, but people does it because it makes them feel better, or good, about themselves or as a way to take revenge on the other party, or because they deem the party as morally wrong. However in whichever ways anyone can try to spin that, no one can ever legitimize racism into a legitimate or a morally right platform.(reasons being me having explained above). For some it can be moral compensation, and for some, it's simply an excuse to release bad acts in the guise with something legitimate.

And again some people may argue it's justice that they are serving, but then again what is justice? And is it justice to do such a thing? Or, in another way to put it, is there justice in racism?

This also expands into the concept of justice being a dangerous thing because justice is subjective, while perhaps what we should look at is the concept of "fairness", which comes from the examination of the whole picture. And finally, if only people understand the roots of the causes as the instruments, and not the actual on-the-ground characters.

I'm not targeting anyone here as we speak, so I hope no one takes it personally. Thank You.


We're NOT talking about racism here. What Shen was saying was that his grandmother was making a stand against an occupier who so happens to be a certain kind of group of people. It is her way of fighting back her country. What you're talking about goes well during peace time but not during war time.
 
It's called pay back...to hit back hard to make them stop. When they stop hitting, we stop hitting. That simple. You don't let bullies hit you and talk smack at you and get away with it do you? Does the crowd around you really cares about your philosophy at that time and moment? No they don't.

An eye for an eye makes the world blind. I'm sure you've heard of that before. Payback is basically vengeance, or another fool's logic in believing paying them back what they did will make the person stop. It doesn't always stop. If it did, Israeli-Palestinian conflict would have been long over. If both sides of the Cold War world used "payback", we would be born with 3 eyes in a nuclear wasteland. And think about it, do you think the person who committed this act against you, didn't actually know what they're getting themselves into? If they don't, that's because you presented to them with this image prior, and that's something else. Even then, no one use "payback" as a means to deliver a message; it doesn't even make any logical sense how "payback", in itself, will make anyone stop. If I'm the offender and I was hit back and told that's called payback, I'm gonna contempt that person even more, laugh at that person even more, and also now I'm actually irritated.

The only times something even remotely resembling what you're talking about works is called self-defence and deterrence strategy. Self-defence is for the notion of protecting oneself, and using the appropriate amount of force or actions in order to stop the threat. This could include actions strong enough to decommission the other party, and in extreme cases, to neutralize the threat completely because the threat pose no alternative methods (either take them out or be killed). Those are "extreme" circumstances. And even the playground logic "standing up for oneself" is meant as a message of deterrence and self-preservation.

Impulsive behaviours through violence doesn't get you too far in this society, where law and order governs where we live. You can say people don't think about these, but that's why so many people end up in prisons or have criminal records: It's because people don't think before they act, or know to draw distinctions and lines of what they're doing. And while it's true many people don't think about it, once again I'm not going to follow collective ignorance and stupidity and let that be my label as well. Also, these aren't even philosophy; just simply thinking a little bit further to know what you're doing and up to the next time you're about to put yourself in this situation. And if you think that's philosophy, try and tell that to the lawyers and those who write contracts to the most specific wordings. Try and tell the police what you're doing is payback when you get caught curb-stomping someone for stealing. I want to see how that idea of yours work. And you do know there's an adjective people often use to associate this type of behaviour right? Reckless.

Oh and are you going to go 100mph to "payback" someone for cutting you on the road? Payback? I kinda hate the fact I have to literally take apart every single bit of every component in order to explain things to you.
 
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We're NOT talking about racism here. What Shen was saying was that his grandmother was making a stand against an occupier who so happens to be a certain kind of group of people. It is her way of fighting back her country. What you're talking about goes well during peace time but not during war time.

Do you have reading or comprehension difficulty or cognitively challenged? I mentioned already very clear it's not directed at anyone personally, and I was simply taking apart the entire thing in different aspects of what they represent and mean for each part.

I also listed that as number 2 in the earlier post:


2. If action is meant to be a punishment, sanction, deliver political message or economical message, or to stop, or not to support a war effort, then again that's legitimate and morally correct.

Let's do an activity shall we? Read this 50 times, understand what it means, before you respond OK? Seriously buddy, learn to read.
 
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