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[Jeff Head]

I'm telling ya man, it's terrorists. My heart goes out to those innocent victims.

I believe so too, Equation.

I mean they drove through the barracades into the crowd and then the car went up in flames. They probably meant for it to explode. In any case, there is very little other explanation their actions. I am sure the investigation will get to the truth of it.

 

[Blitzo]

The problem is that Chinese rule of xinjiang and Tibet is now in public discourse as a legitimate subject to be challenged, and even though this killed two other people outside the car and clearly constitutes a terror attack (reminds me of the boston bombing in terms of its relatively small scale) it will probably remain to be called a "protest"

 

[TerraN_EmpirE]

A protest does not end in a death unless it is a self Immolation.
If this was a Act by a group targeting political change via a attack that was intended to cause a casualty count then it fits the definition of terrorism

Now then @ t2contra they expressed concern they always do to some degree. And The media is always looking for cases of excessive force. but after a thousand people killed one has to wonder just how many were killed by rioters and by police.

@ Bltizo a good point. Terrorism is designed to create a crackdown. Its a strange political action. the point is hard to see but the aim is to force the regime into a position where in they force the people to rise up.
Now will it be spun? hard to say The Chinese are being very hush hush.

 

[AssassinsMace]

There's a different mentality in China than say the US. The media in China and abroad are already sensationalizing this incident as terrorism. Remember the army barracks in Chongqing where weapons were pilfered and how the media made it out terrorists were behind it? Have we seen any terrorist incidents in China involving military assault weapons? The media is making this incident out to be the first terrorist attack. I don't think the Chinese public's reaction will be the same as you find in the US. How many school knife attacks in China do you read about? You don't see the type of reaction as you would see with school shootings in the US. There's not this need to spread fear and panic that your kid is next. If this is a terrorist incident, the West is not going to see it as the same terrorism they're concern with. So let's not fall into the trap because I can see it now how this will be used by China critics on its foreign policy to demand China fall in-line yet they won't want China to react like they would in concern for human rights abuses in investigating and dealing with terrorism in China.

 

[Equation]

There's a different mentality in China than say the US. The media in China and abroad are already sensationalizing this incident as terrorism. Remember the army barracks in Chongqing where weapons were pilfered and how the media made it out terrorists were behind it? Have we seen any terrorist incidents in China involving military assault weapons? The media is making this incident out to be the first terrorist attack. I don't think the Chinese public's reaction will be the same as you find in the US. How many school knife attacks in China do you read about? You don't see the type of reaction as you would see with school shootings in the US. There's not this need to spread fear and panic that your kid is next. If this is a terrorist incident, the West is not going to see it as the same terrorism they're concern with. So let's not fall into the trap because I can see it now how this will be used by China critics on its foreign policy to demand China fall in-line yet they won't want China to react like they would in concern for human rights abuses in investigating and dealing with terrorism in China.

You're right Assassinsmace the media had already started with bias campaign.

Beijing (AFP) - An overseas Uighur rights group fears a "fierce state crackdown" by China on the largely Muslim ethnic minority after Monday's car crash at Tiananmen Square, it said Wednesday.

The statement from the World Uyghur Congress, which Beijing considers a separatist group, came one day after state-run media reported Chinese authorities had named two suspects from the restive far western region of Xinjiang following the incident.

A sport utility vehicle ploughed through crowds at the capital's best-known site -- where huge pro-democracy demonstrations were held in 1989 -- killing five people, including three in the car and a woman tourist from the Philippines, and wounding 38.

“Today, I fear for the future of East Turkestan and the Uighur people more than I ever have,” World Uyghur Congress president Rebiya Kadeer said in a statement issued from Washington.

East Turkestan is the name which the activist organisation uses to refer to Xinjiang, where Uighurs, many of whom are Muslim, make up 46 percent of the population.

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Uighur democracy leader Rebiya Kadeer speaks prior to a rally against deadly violence in China's Xin …
The group added that it fears the response by authorities in Beijing will "lead to further demonisation of the Uighur people and incite a fierce state crackdown" in Xinjiang.

“The Chinese government will not hesitate to concoct a version of the incident in Beijing, so as to further impose repressive measures on the Uighur people," Kadeer said.

In a notice to Beijing hotels on Monday, police identified two suspects and four car number plates, all from Xinjiang, in relation to a "major case".

But Ilham Tohti, a prominent Uighur intellectual, told AFP that he feared the event "could lead local governments to increase repression and discrimination" against the minority group and that evidence that the incident was a terror attack carried out by Uighurs was lacking.

Beijing has pointed to violent incidents in Xinjiang as evidence of rising extremism among the ethnic minority, but information in the far western region is tightly controlled and Uighur organisations complain of cultural and religious repression.

Police have arrested at least 139 people in Xinjiang in recent months for allegedly spreading jihad, according to state-run media, which said in August that a policeman had been killed in an "anti-terrorism" operation -- although overseas reports said 22 Uighurs died in that incident.

One of the suspects named in Monday's reported police notice was from Lukqun, where state media said 35 people were killed in June in what Beijing called a "terrorist attack"

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This Rebiya Kadeer person has already protecting the perpetrator and trying to spin as if the Uighur are totally suffering under the Chinese regime and complained about the growth of Chinese Han race are crowding into Xinjiang province. So according to her logic Chinese citizens are not allow to move anywhere on their homeland?

 

[ManilaBoy45]

Tiananmen Car Crash: Doctor’s Family ‘in Stable Condition’

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The husband and two children of a Filipino female doctor who was killed in a car crash at Tiananmen Square in Beijing are “in a stable condition” in a Chinese hospital, the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) said on Tuesday. “This morning, representatives from our embassy in Beijing visited the three Filipinos who were injured in the car crash in Tiananmen Square,” said the DFA spokesman, Assistant Secretary Raul Hernandez. “The Filipinos, a father and his two daughters, are confined in Tongren Hospital and are in stable condition.” Hernandez said the Filipino family had just crossed a street when a vehicle plowed into the crowd. The Filipino mother was among those killed. “She was brought to a Beijing hospital for treatment but she succumbed to injuries,” Hernandez said. The DFA withheld the identities of the Filipinos “in honor of their wish for privacy at this difficult time.” “Our embassy has assured them of all appropriate assistance, particularly in their immediate repatriation and in the repatriation of the remains of their loved one,” Hernandez said.

 

[MwRYum]

You're right Assassinsmace the media had already started with bias campaign.

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This Rebiya Kadeer person has already protecting the perpetrator and trying to spin as if the Uighur are totally suffering under the Chinese regime and complained about the growth of Chinese Han race are crowding into Xinjiang province. So according to her logic Chinese citizens are not allow to move anywhere on their homeland?

If you consider who's paws she fed from, it's no surprise what she said.

Anyway, you can easily tell why the Chinese government is nervous...by available sources the vehicle was first came out onto the main street from a feeder road that's packed with tier-1 government offices and HQs, the HQ for state security is at the opposite end of the junction, the vehicle only stopped just outside the gateway where Mao's picture is...it has a clear sign of political statement in itself.

And the thing is, the state has not a clue as to how it even happened. And as we all know, the state usually clumsy if and when got their pants pulled down like that, which gives lots of room for rumour-mongering.

 

[bd popeye]

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BEIJING (AP) — Police announced Wednesday the arrests of five people in connection with this week's suicide car crash in the heart of China's capital, calling it a planned terror attack — Beijing's first in recent history — and identifying the attackers as members of a Muslim minority.

Police said the five suspects were detained the same day as the Monday noon attack at the Forbidden City gate across from Tiananmen Square, in the culturally and politically sensitive section of Beijing where China's Communist Party leaders live and work.

A statement on the Beijing police microblog said the perpetrators had also been identified as a man with an ethnic Uighur name, his wife and his mother. The five suspects arrested on suspicion of conspiring in the attack also were identified with typically Uighur names.

An attack in one of the eastern population centers is "something that the Chinese authorities have been worried about for a long time," said University of Michigan expert Philip Potter.

"Once this threshold has been crossed, it is a difficult thing to constrain," Potter said, predicting tighter surveillance and scrutiny of Uighurs in eastern cities.

All three attackers died when their vehicle exploded beneath the portrait of Mao Zedong hanging from Tiananmen Gate. Two tourists, including a Filipino woman, were killed by the vehicle as it sped down a crowded sidewalk, and 38 people were injured, including three Filipino citizens and a Japanese man.

Knives, iron rods, gasoline and a flag imprinted with religious slogans were found in the vehicle, police said.

Uighurs (pronounced WEE-gur) are Muslim Turks native to the restive northwestern region of Xinjiang where extremists opposed to Chinese rule have been battling security forces for years.

The statement said the five detained had helped plan and execute the attack, and were caught 10 hours after it was carried out. It said they had been on the run and were tracked down with the help of police in Xinjiang and elsewhere. It didn't say where they were captured, but said police had found jihadi flags and long knives inside their temporary lodgings.

"The initial understanding of the police is that the Oct. 28 incident is a case of a violent terrorist attack that was carefully planned, organized and plotted," the statement said.

The attack appears to mark a new boldness on the part of militants inspired by radical Islam and follows a particularly bloody summer of clashes in Xinjiang, including an attack on a police station, that have left at least 56 people dead this year. The government typically calls the incidents terrorist attacks.

 

[Jeff Head]

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Jihad terror. I suspected this from the beginning. Fits the profile.

I believe their car was rigged to explode like the car bombs we have seen so often in so many other places, but failed to detonate as they desired.

The death and injury occurred as they were driving over people to get to the spot they wanted to blow it up.

Glad they got the accomplices. The Chinese will have squeezed every drop of G2 out of them that they can...and they will not be gentle about it. Nor should they be. When you have this large a group operating in a major population center, your capitol no less, you cannot afford to be "civil," with them. Too many other lives depending on determining what they are doing and planning.

 

[Equation]

If you consider who's paws she fed from, it's no surprise what she said.

Anyway, you can easily tell why the Chinese government is nervous...by available sources the vehicle was first came out onto the main street from a feeder road that's packed with tier-1 government offices and HQs, the HQ for state security is at the opposite end of the junction, the vehicle only stopped just outside the gateway where Mao's picture is...it has a clear sign of political statement in itself.

And the thing is, the state has not a clue as to how it even happened. And as we all know, the state usually clumsy if and when got their pants pulled down like that, which gives lots of room for rumour-mongering.

This could be an act of a low profile terrorists group that has no intel on them by the MSS or by any other intelligence services. Since the police has arrested 5 suspects believe to be in connection to this case, you can bet the MSS will start learning the perpetrators ways of operations, communication, and info gathering.