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SouthernSky

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Sure, but there are many reports of police misbehavior in US. I cannot judge any of them but I wonder just as I wonder about the quality of the police in The Netherlands and UK, countries about which I have more information.There are too many cases of people mistreated, wrongly arrested, wrongly convicted in all three countries and no doubt also in countries I know less about. It is the duty of parliaments to supervise the state in the first place on this matter - unjust persecution by the state. Really a state doesn't deserve the name democratic if this is not able to get these matters right.

Yes to a point I don't disagree. And all of those things you list wouldn't happen in a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world now do we? And I'd also suggest all of those things which shouldn't happen but do would be by far in the minority when compared to all the things police officers do to keep their communities safe.

You seem a little uptight lately delft. I'm going to give you a smiley face to help lift your mood. :D
 

Air Force Brat

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Yes to a point I don't disagree. And all of those things you list wouldn't happen in a perfect world. But we don't live in a perfect world now do we? And I'd also suggest all of those things which shouldn't happen but do would be by far in the minority when compared to all the things police officers do to keep their communities safe.

You seem a little uptight lately delft. I'm going to give you a smiley face to help lift your mood. :D

A little bran with your prune juice might help?
 

Equation

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Sure, but there are many reports of police misbehavior in US. I cannot judge any of them but I wonder just as I wonder about the quality of the police in The Netherlands and UK, countries about which I have more information.There are too many cases of people mistreated, wrongly arrested, wrongly convicted in all three countries and no doubt also in countries I know less about. It is the duty of parliaments to supervise the state in the first place on this matter - unjust persecution by the state. Really a state doesn't deserve the name democratic if this is not able to get these matters right.

I understand delft, but you also have to calculate the fact that the US has a larger population to deal with than say the UK or the Netherlands with a variety of people and races as well. Police officer in the US typically has to have at least two years of college experienced (not necessary graduate from a four year university) before they could enter the Police Academy (responsible by each city and state) unless they go for the FBI Academy in Langley, Virginia which is far more demanding and requirement. US police officers are allowed to carry firearms with them at all time during duty, not sure about the UK or Netherlands though. There's going to be abusive officers all over the world. It's up to the authority to make sure they keep it at a minimum as possible.
 

delft

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I understand delft, but you also have to calculate the fact that the US has a larger population to deal with than say the UK or the Netherlands with a variety of people and races as well. Police officer in the US typically has to have at least two years of college experienced (not necessary graduate from a four year university) before they could enter the Police Academy (responsible by each city and state) unless they go for the FBI Academy in Langley, Virginia which is far more demanding and requirement. US police officers are allowed to carry firearms with them at all time during duty, not sure about the UK or Netherlands though. There's going to be abusive officers all over the world. It's up to the authority to make sure they keep it at a minimum as possible.
Historically the British police derives from civil watchmen hired by the local authorities and is in principle not armed with fire arms except for selected officers trained for that work. Ever there serious trouble has been caused by injudicial shooting of suspects.
The Dutch police is derived from the military police, as is that of other European police forces, and is routinely armed with pistols, 9mm parabellum, earlier FN Browning 1922, from 1979 Walther P5 which from 2013 is being replaced by Walther P99 . I can remember trouble with farmers about half a century ago when Dutch police was armed with carabines. The officers are insufficiently trained .
 

Air Force Brat

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Brat, I think you are misunderstanding my position on this and a critical factor. First I am attempting to debunk the cop hunter. The idea that 17 shots means that this officer was intentionally gunning down the suspect without rational. I am also dealing with a critical issue. Not every peace officer is created equally and not every officer is as capable of taking the situation in a perfect manor. I am playing devils advocate, as I am sick of seeing every case brought up ending in crucifixion based on perceptions and perceived what ifs that fail to match the gritty bloody reality.

That's fine TerraN, but the Barney Fife comment is descriptive, snarky, and disrespectful of the many officers who are killed or seriously wounded each year in the line of duty... I have yet to take a job where my initial training was actually completed, prior to "getting with it". My last job as a hospice chaplain, volunteer/bereavement coordinator, was actually 3 jobs, and I had to roll with the punches and improvise, I did have additional training, and I will say that my 21.5 years as a Counselor/Rehabilitation trainer, with developmentally disabled adults was full of training, in a great many disciplines, and eyeballs all over looking to find fault in something you said or did as you handled an often violent situation, and of course there was the "documentation", if it was not documented, it DID NOT HAPPEN.

So all police officers are human, each have their strengths and weaknesses, some thrive on physical danger, and go out of their way to take the difficult situations, sometimes to protect a fellow officer who is much less comfortable going in harms way. The gritty bloody reality in Ferguson was that officer Darren Wilson happened upon Mr. Brown as he and a buddy were walking down the middle of the street, when officer Wilson asked them to step out of the street, all hell broke loose, and officer Wilson was violently assaulted by Mr. Brown who grabbed his duty weapon, in the process Mr. Brown attempted to "beat" officer Wilson sensless, fracturing his eyesocket in the process, as he continued to try to take Officer Wilsons duty weapon, officer Wilson regained control of his duty weapon, and when Mr. Brown turned to re-engage, Officer Wilson employed his weapon to defend himself against his very large, very aggressive violent assailant, when 4 peripheral hits on his assailant resulted in a "failure to stop, Officer Wilson followed his training, and stopped his assailant with two very effective hits to the "ocular cranial" region, and immediately disengaged and attempted to help his assailant...

What is not apparent, is that St. Louis, Mo. is as dangerous as Chicago, Il., there is a very violent culture in both cities, fueled by gangs and just thuggish behavior in general..... I was in the windy city today however, delivering 3 brand new luxury SUVs to the Chicago Public School... I left them in traffic, with the keys in the ignition, engines running, and flasher's engaged, at NO time did I feel endangered, or that my vehicles where in any jeopardy, in a few minutes several of the school system employees arrived and drove the vehicles to the local police station???? I was surrounded, literally, by people of every shape color, gender, and nationality, something I had dreaded turned out to be a very pleasant surprise at high noon,,,,,, several blocks away, I am rather certain things are much uglier, and when I was a Chaplin in East St. Louis, IL., I had a patients middle aged son in law, walk me to my vehicle, and stand at the ready until I drove off, they stand out as one of my favorite families in five years of hospice, a beautiful family, trying to make a difference in a violent suburb of St. Louis???
 

AssassinsMace

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Right before I went to bed last night word on the news came of another US Ebola case of a health care worker. I went to sleep to wake up to hear not only was the new case in the same hospital, it was also someone who was outside of the 48 people that cared for Thomas Duncan.

Recently there was a bubonic plague event in China and the criticism commenced because authorities sealed-off the region. And you know the criticism was purely political. China is looked down upon as less professional in all things and the people as unruly yet you have a 2nd case of Ebola, the first transmission to occur within the US, and they're going to hold up China to their standards on how China handles the bubonic plague as a human rights concern. Look at the chain of events surrounding the Thomas Duncan case and see the chain of breaches in protocol by so-called professionals who supposedly know better.
 

Piotr

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The gritty bloody reality in Ferguson was that officer Darren Wilson happened upon Mr. Brown as he and a buddy were walking down the middle of the street, when officer Wilson asked them to step out of the street, all hell broke loose, and officer Wilson was violently assaulted by Mr. Brown who grabbed his duty weapon, in the process Mr. Brown attempted to "beat" officer Wilson sensless, fracturing his eyesocket in the process, as he continued to try to take Officer Wilsons duty weapon, officer Wilson regained control of his duty weapon, and when Mr. Brown turned to re-engage, Officer Wilson employed his weapon to defend himself against his very large, very aggressive violent assailant, when 4 peripheral hits on his assailant resulted in a "failure to stop, Officer Wilson followed his training, and stopped his assailant with two very effective hits to the "ocular cranial" region, and immediately disengaged and attempted to help his assailant...
This is "reality" from notorious liars from CNN. In fact police in US often beat or kill people just for being black. The fact is that Michael Brown was unarmed and was killed by US police. Now US police is beating peaceful protesters:
Arrests made in protests against killing of black young man in US
Source:Xinhua Published: 2014-10-13 14:10:06
More than a dozen protesters were arrested Sunday in St. Louis, Missouri, where people were staging protests calling for the arrest of a white police officer who shot dead an unarmed black 18-year-old in August.

Police also used pepper spray and tear gas to disperse the crowd.

The protesters were arrested when they staged a surprise sit-in in Shaw neighborhood as an act of civil disobedience.

Police in riot gear started advancing on the group, kicking and punching the protesters with batons. More than half a dozen people were pepper sprayed.

During the clashes, St. Louis City Police kept saying through a loudspeaker, "If you do not disperse, you will be subject to arrest. This is an unlawful assembly."

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson claimed that protestors threw rocks at the police, an accusation that has been denied by many reporters at the scene.

Thousands of people staged protest marches, vigils and other demonstrations in the St. Louis area this weekend, calling for the arrest of white police officer Darren Wilson who shot dead unarmed black teenager Michael Brown on August 9. The fatal shooting of Vonderitt Myers, an 18-year-old black, by an off-duty white officer on Wednesday has aggravated the tension.
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Air Force Brat

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This is "reality" from notorious liars from CNN. In fact police in US often beat or kill people just for being black. The fact is that Michael Brown was unarmed and was killed by US police. Now US police is beating peaceful protesters:

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CNN is a very left wing, liberal news org, they often post the kind of stuff you are claiming as truth,,,, my account is from personal knowledge and being a native of Central Obamastan, I am regularly in St. Louis and Chicago.... The account I posted above is my man on the street report ace,,,,, you are NOT local, you seem to be a "conosewer" of anti US/Western propaganda, but my "informed" local report doesn't fit your narrative, so you're going to site a Chinese new source that is also anti-US....

Had Mr. Brown been white, and officer Wilson black, I can assure you that all you would feel is "relief" that a violent criminal had been taken off the street after assaulting a fine police officer, I would feel the same. Since Mr. Brown was black and officer Wilson was white, you have "painted" Mr. Brown as a victim, rather than the assailant of officer Wilson, officer Wilson was severely beaten about the head and face by Mr. Brown, in fact his eye-socket was fractured as Mr. Brown attempted to take a police officers weapon, what would Mr. Brown have done to officer Wilson if he had in fact dis-armed officer Wilson, we would have had a "cop-killing" that's what. My source is local news media, who tell it like it is, and have to live here, they have a reputation as journalists, and had the story been as you stated it was, that is what they would have reported, there is such a thing as truth! Honest mean tell it, and dis-honest men cover it up?
 

Miragedriver

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CNN is a very left wing, liberal news org, they often post the kind of stuff you are claiming as truth,,,, my account is from personal knowledge and being a native of Central Obamastan, I am regularly in St. Louis and Chicago.... The account I posted above is my man on the street report ace,,,,, you are NOT local, you seem to be a "conosewer" of anti US/Western propaganda, but my "informed" local report doesn't fit your narrative, so you're going to site a Chinese new source that is also anti-US....

Had Mr. Brown been white, and officer Wilson black, I can assure you that all you would feel is "relief" that a violent criminal had been taken off the street after assaulting a fine police officer, I would feel the same. Since Mr. Brown was black and officer Wilson was white, you have "painted" Mr. Brown as a victim, rather than the assailant of officer Wilson, officer Wilson was severely beaten about the head and face by Mr. Brown, in fact his eye-socket was fractured as Mr. Brown attempted to take a police officers weapon, what would Mr. Brown have done to officer Wilson if he had in fact dis-armed officer Wilson, we would have had a "cop-killing" that's what. My source is local news media, who tell it like it is, and have to live here, they have a reputation as journalists, and had the story been as you stated it was, that is what they would have reported, there is such a thing as truth! Honest mean tell it, and dis-honest men cover it up?

Well put!

What you are hearing in the world press my friend is the “political truth” or what is allowed to be printed and disseminated to the masses. Nothing more and nothing less is permissible. It is not simple fact news anymore, but commentary on events.

The commentary corrals people into a direction of thought. By manipulating the commentary you can manipulate thought and thereby public opinion. Or as I like to say “Welcome to the third world my friend”.
 

Blackstone

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This is "reality" from notorious liars from CNN. In fact police in US often beat or kill people just for being black. The fact is that Michael Brown was unarmed and was killed by US police. Now US police is beating peaceful protesters:

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This news in from Xinhua not from CNN so it is reliable.

Let's wait till all the relevant facts come out before deciding what really happened in the killing of Michael Brown. If Officer Wilson is found guilty, then I'm 100% certain he would receive appropriate punishment, and if he's found innocent, I hope Governor Nixon has the National Guard standing by to impose marshal law and reestablish civil order.

As for CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, NY Times, and their ilk, I wouldn't call them "reliable," since none of them could be counted on to report news fairly, especially if they go against the liberal orthodoxy. Viewers should hang onto their skepticism.
 
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