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TerraN_EmpirE

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A few days ago the BBC radio 4 news told about a Scottish policeman who somehow didn't get his police bicycling certificate so spend six of his eight hours time on duty walking to and from his office(?). He can cycle, just did't have the certificate. Now giving a policeman a gun without making sure he or she is proficient in its use is just as daft as that Scottish policeman not being allowed to cycle to and from his work without having a certificate,

Delft they receive mandatory qualifications. So in this case they have the certificate its just that only once maybe twice a year do they have to practice. There police agencies are offering and demanding only the absolute bare minimum standard. Once every six months they give him maybe two magazines and tell him to hit the paper. They don't take him and put him in a realistic firing situation, they don't take and show him advanced techniques. Just hand him a magazine on a range. Now that's not every department nor every cop. Some take time from there own lifestyle and practice and train and engage in competition shooting, but 90% of departments are not interested or budgeted or politically motivated to spend more then a few hours a year teaching and keeping the regular officers marksmanship training beyond the basics. Its like that Scottish cop who missed his certificate has to qualify on a exercise bike.
 

Miragedriver

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A few days ago the BBC radio 4 news told about a Scottish policeman who somehow didn't get his police bicycling certificate so spend six of his eight hours time on duty walking to and from his office(?). He can cycle, just did't have the certificate. Now giving a policeman a gun without making sure he or she is proficient in its use is just as daft as that Scottish policeman not being allowed to cycle to and from his work without having a certificate,

What is this world coming to......has everyone gone metal?

They should have a law about not having children unless you can financially support them, or have 70-IQ or higher (70 is borderline retarded).

But the loons that make these law would never go for that since it would eliminate their voting block.
Thank you for letting me rant... I feel better now.



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Probably a police issued hand gun most likely a variant of the Glock Safe action or Smith and Wesson Military and police or even a Beretta Model 92. Now before we get into seventeen shots means something suspicious, no it doesn't. Despite the movies the Human body is actually quite resilient. There are only three ways the Human body dies. The first is toxic shock, where in due to toxicity the circulatory system of the human body fails. The second is neural shock where in due to damage to the bodies nervous system either directly to the nerve cluster of the lower brain or extreme pain the nervous system crashes and the body stops working. Finally circulatory shock where in due to traumatic injuries the body experiences' extreme blood pressure loss and is no longer able to maintain operation of critical organs and brain blood supply.
Now obviously the first is most likely not applicable. The second and third are. In the case of either placement and ballistics come in. The most common cartridge types in the US are 9x19mm parabellum/ NATO/ Lugar .40 Smith and Wesson, and .45 Auto Colt Pistol. Of these three rounds the first two are the more common service pistol round and both allow magazine capacity matching the numbered shots.
ballistics now come in hollow points vs ball ammo. Both are used by police agencies. Hollow points use hydrodynamic shock or the effect of a round that is supposed to expand in the fluid base of the human body and use the resulting vacuum to damage the tissues, it doesn't always work though and even if it did it wouldn't necessarily be enough to cause either the pain or blood loss to kill. Ball ammo from these rounds is solid and lacks expansion, this can create a ice pick wound channel where the wound is a straight entry and exit with little in the way of destabilizing this wound might cause the body to eventually bleed out but that would take hours.
So if the officer in question felt his life was threatened and he felt the need for lethal force, the effectiveness might not be as instant as some would believe. Even larger caliber fire on the torso and head might not be able to cause enough damage to cause death and as such an aggressive attacker being fired upon can still be dangerous, even if the wounds are lethal. A direct penetration of the heart can still take a minute to cause the body to fail. Alot can happen in that time.

I've read somewhere that for an immediate stop, it's necessary to use the double tap into the head of an assailant (like somebody who charges in a narrow corridor with a knife) and be ready for being hit by (already dead) body -- the hit is not going to be life-threatening.
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Doombreed

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I've read somewhere that for an immediate stop, it's necessary to use the double tap into the head of an assailant (like somebody who charges in a narrow corridor with a knife) and be ready for being hit by (already dead) body -- the hit is not going to be life-threatening.
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You never aim for the head. Double tap to the center of mass, which is where the heart is will stop someone just fine. And it's never just "double". The drill is you shoot the guy to the ground. As in, you keep shooting till he's on the ground.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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The most effective point of aim to terminate a human life is a shot to base of the skull. If you can destroy the brain stem all functions of the Central nervous system are terminated. However that's not a easy target. Especially when moving and from the front.
 

Air Force Brat

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You never aim for the head. Double tap to the center of mass, which is where the heart is will stop someone just fine. And it's never just "double". The drill is you shoot the guy to the ground. As in, you keep shooting till he's on the ground.

Actually doom, any failure to stop, is followed by the ocular cranial shot, which is always a double tap.
 

Air Force Brat

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The most effective point of aim to terminate a human life is a shot to base of the skull. If you can destroy the brain stem all functions of the Central nervous system are terminated. However that's not a easy target. Especially when moving and from the front.

The failure to stop, is always followed by another double tap to the ocular cranial region. This is represented as a triangle on the target.
 

Doombreed

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Actually doom, any failure to stop, is followed by the ocular cranial shot, which is always a double tap.

Are you confusing the Mozambique Drill? That's two to the body and one to the head if you got the time. The way I was trained was to never aim for the head and always the center of mass. Don't know what kind of tier one outfit you're operating with, double tapping people in the head. LOL.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Center of mass is based on easiest to hit. The human cranium is a fairy small point of target the human chest is about twice as wide and three times as high. There is also a element of desensitization. Aiming for a head means looking the target in the eyes aiming for the center of mass you don't have to face that.
 

Air Force Brat

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A few days ago the BBC radio 4 news told about a Scottish policeman who somehow didn't get his police bicycling certificate so spend six of his eight hours time on duty walking to and from his office(?). He can cycle, just did't have the certificate. Now giving a policeman a gun without making sure he or she is proficient in its use is just as daft as that Scottish policeman not being allowed to cycle to and from his work without having a certificate,

Actually delft I consider myself well above average with a handgun, having killed several whitetails with an iron sighted revolver. I would not be critical of someone who has won a gunfight with a determined attacker, for the record the officer in Ferguson did it Exactly right. We'll have to see how this one plays out, as the facts come out?
 
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