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Here's the related story on that news. It looks like the teen was the first to shot at the officer before he returns fire.
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Here's the related story on that news. It looks like the teen was the first to shot at the officer before he returns fire.
Seventeen times? What kind of police weapon did he use?
TerraN_EmpirE
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Probably a police issued hand gun most likely a variant of the Glock Safe action or Smith and Wesson Military and police or even a Beretta Model 92. Now before we get into seventeen shots means something suspicious, no it doesn't. Despite the movies the Human body is actually quite resilient. There are only three ways the Human body dies. The first is toxic shock, where in due to toxicity the circulatory system of the human body fails. The second is neural shock where in due to damage to the bodies nervous system either directly to the nerve cluster of the lower brain or extreme pain the nervous system crashes and the body stops working. Finally circulatory shock where in due to traumatic injuries the body experiences' extreme blood pressure loss and is no longer able to maintain operation of critical organs and brain blood supply.
Now obviously the first is most likely not applicable. The second and third are. In the case of either placement and ballistics come in. The most common cartridge types in the US are 9x19mm parabellum/ NATO/ Lugar .40 Smith and Wesson, and .45 Auto Colt Pistol. Of these three rounds the first two are the more common service pistol round and both allow magazine capacity matching the numbered shots.
ballistics now come in hollow points vs ball ammo. Both are used by police agencies. Hollow points use hydrodynamic shock or the effect of a round that is supposed to expand in the fluid base of the human body and use the resulting vacuum to damage the tissues, it doesn't always work though and even if it did it wouldn't necessarily be enough to cause either the pain or blood loss to kill. Ball ammo from these rounds is solid and lacks expansion, this can create a ice pick wound channel where the wound is a straight entry and exit with little in the way of destabilizing this wound might cause the body to eventually bleed out but that would take hours.
So if the officer in question felt his life was threatened and he felt the need for lethal force, the effectiveness might not be as instant as some would believe. Even larger caliber fire on the torso and head might not be able to cause enough damage to cause death and as such an aggressive attacker being fired upon can still be dangerous, even if the wounds are lethal. A direct penetration of the heart can still take a minute to cause the body to fail. Alot can happen in that time.
Now obviously the first is most likely not applicable. The second and third are. In the case of either placement and ballistics come in. The most common cartridge types in the US are 9x19mm parabellum/ NATO/ Lugar .40 Smith and Wesson, and .45 Auto Colt Pistol. Of these three rounds the first two are the more common service pistol round and both allow magazine capacity matching the numbered shots.
ballistics now come in hollow points vs ball ammo. Both are used by police agencies. Hollow points use hydrodynamic shock or the effect of a round that is supposed to expand in the fluid base of the human body and use the resulting vacuum to damage the tissues, it doesn't always work though and even if it did it wouldn't necessarily be enough to cause either the pain or blood loss to kill. Ball ammo from these rounds is solid and lacks expansion, this can create a ice pick wound channel where the wound is a straight entry and exit with little in the way of destabilizing this wound might cause the body to eventually bleed out but that would take hours.
So if the officer in question felt his life was threatened and he felt the need for lethal force, the effectiveness might not be as instant as some would believe. Even larger caliber fire on the torso and head might not be able to cause enough damage to cause death and as such an aggressive attacker being fired upon can still be dangerous, even if the wounds are lethal. A direct penetration of the heart can still take a minute to cause the body to fail. Alot can happen in that time.
SteelBird
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A 9mm pistol usually can carry up 15 rounds per magazine but a 5.8mm pistol (Chinese) can carry up to 20 rounds. However, police in the U.S use 9mm pistol, right? It makes me wonder too or did the policeman reload?
TerraN_EmpirE
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Steel your generalization is Wrong. The Beretta 92 aka the M9 is limited to a 15 round capacity as is the HK P30. However the Glock17,19 the Smith and Wesson Military and Police 9mm (the Two most popular Police Sidearms in American law enforcement ),Springfield Armory inc. XD, Walther P99, Beretta Storm P4XSF and HK Usp Tactical all have options for at least a 17 round magazine. The XD can go to a 19 round magazine. This means that although likely to have emptied the magazine the officer in question would have had the capacity to have done so without reloading.
TerraN_EmpirE
Tyrant King
Despite the media most of the United states is not Chicago, shootings' are not as common as some might think. Second cops are not delta force. Most police officers don't even want to shoot, and most police departments don't encourage outside training. Most of a police officer's marksmen training is on basic qualifications. Not advanced placement of fire. So a cop shooting is little different from a civilian shooting. In other words there is little other then a basic study of anatomy in high school that tells him where to aim. Additionally if the adversary in this case was attacking adrenaline comes in and the officer is under stress. That means the officer has to decide in the situation if his life is in danger, what skills and tools he has to fight back. Now the story says he was moonlighting as a rentacop that means he might not have had a tazer or some of the other gear issued by his police agency. Additionally it doesn't state if he had a partner. Those can be factors as it would limit is ability to respond and make him more likely to have to respond with lethal force.
Statistically speaking when in a officer involved shooting the number of rounds fired by a police officer is far higher then you would want to believe. When under stress and determined to employ lethal response most officers do clear the magazine. And some perpetrators' in such cases where it has happened have been shot as in the triple digits.
The tools may have changed, the training program altered to include psychological and political elements, the fire power available has increased but the truth is the training of its use has advanced little beyond Barney Fife.
Statistically speaking when in a officer involved shooting the number of rounds fired by a police officer is far higher then you would want to believe. When under stress and determined to employ lethal response most officers do clear the magazine. And some perpetrators' in such cases where it has happened have been shot as in the triple digits.
The tools may have changed, the training program altered to include psychological and political elements, the fire power available has increased but the truth is the training of its use has advanced little beyond Barney Fife.
Equation
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Sometimes certain humans may react differently out of fear for their lives. The officer may have done just that when the teen open fire on him and he reacted by firing all his rounds until it is empty to ensure his threat has alleviated his fear. We just have to wait for further investigation because right now everything is pretty much speculative.
Miragedriver
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Chinese ‘airpocalypse’ traps Brazilian footballers in hotel
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec with a mask
Brazilian football stars including Neymar, David Luiz and Kaká are stranded in their Beijing hotel after a toxic ‘curtain of impurities’ envelops the Chinese capital
Daily Telegraph - Some of the world’s most famous footballers have found themselves stranded inside a luxury Beijing hotel after China’s capital was swallowed up by a noxious haze of carcinogenic smog.
Members of Brazil’s seleção – including Barcelona’s £50m forward Neymar, Paris Saint-Germain’s David Luiz and former World Player of the Year Kaká – are in China for Saturday’s “Super Classic of the Americas” match against Argentina at Beijing’s Bird’s Nest stadium.
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However, the footballers have chosen a bad week for their Chinese showcase.
Beijing issued an orange pollution alert – the second highest level - on Thursday as air quality plummeted to levels almost 18 times worse than those considered safe by the World Health Organisation.
Authorities blamed the dramatic spike in pollution on farmer’s burning straw. They closed motorways as visibility fell and advised residents to stay indoors.
“Hold the front page,” joked Xiao Zhazha, a user of Weibo, China’s Twitter-like microblog. “The Brazil and Argentina teams have come to Beijing to inhale drugs!”
Shocked at the state of Beijing’s skies, Brazilian football officials have ordered their players not to leave the five-star Intercontinental hotel apart from for brief afternoon training sessions. They are reportedly evaluating whether to continue training sessions at all.
“One of the pieces of advice that those responsible for pollution control give is that people should stay indoors and this is what we have done,” Rodrigo Lasmar, Brazil’s team doctor, was quoted as saying by the Estado de São Paulo newspaper.
“Our athletes stay inside the hotel and only go out for training. Out of every 24 hours, they spend 22 inside the hotel."
Pollution posed an “enormous” problem, added Mr Lasmar, listing health risks ranging “from the most simple things like allergies to the most serious things such as heart problems, blood pressure and circulation problems".
Earlier this year, China’s former health minister admitted that his country’s dangerously polluted skies were condemning up to 500,000 Chinese to early graves each year.
Brazilian sports journalists travelling with the seleção have been appalled by China’s latest “airpocalypse”.
“Absurd pollution once again," José Alberto Andrade, a Brazilian radio journalist, wrote on Twitter during Thursday's afternoon training session at which Neymar scored a goal and the Air Quality Index recordings near Tiananmen Square reportedly soared to 445.
The Folha de São Paulo newspaper claimed Brazil's players would face two “uncomfortable” opponents on Saturday: Argentina and the air.
“People are so worried about bad air quality that the most popular mobile phone apps in the country are those which measure pollution,” it added.
Alexandre Lozetti, another Brazilian journalist travelling with the team, complained Beijing had welcomed his country’s players with a toxic cocktail of “fog, smoke and dust”.
“Brazil’s players trained for nearly two hours under this curtain of impurities,” he reported, adding that medical staff were pumping the players full of water and constantly monitoring them to avoid any harm from the “thick mist”.
Mr Lasmar, the doctor, said Brazilian players were at less risk than Beijing’s permanent residents, for whom a day's breathing was the equivalent of smoking one and a half packets of cigarettes, Brazil’s Globo Esporte website reported.
“The most common problem among players is allergies – but so far nobody has shown any problems,” Mr Lasmar said, adding that he was keeping an eye out for any sign of eye, throat or ear problems related to the pollution.
However, speaking to Brazil’s Rádio Gaúcha one player admitted he had fallen victim to the Beijing smog.
Diego Tardelli, who plays for Brazilian side Atlético Mineiro, said he had picked up an allergy in his right eye. “Pollution is a problem here in China,” Mr Tardelli said.
I will now get back to bottling my Malbec with a mask
A few days ago the BBC radio 4 news told about a Scottish policeman who somehow didn't get his police bicycling certificate so spend six of his eight hours time on duty walking to and from his office(?). He can cycle, just did't have the certificate. Now giving a policeman a gun without making sure he or she is proficient in its use is just as daft as that Scottish policeman not being allowed to cycle to and from his work without having a certificate,
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