Where do the Members of SDF stand on the issue of the War in the Ukraine?
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Mods should had atleast hid the person who is voting for/against. Now People can gang up & abuse indivisual users.
solarz
Brigadier
Why?
Well, the thing about Putin is that he considers himself to be responsible for the well being of the Russian people. And I do not mean just Russians in the Russian Federation. The active acts of violence against Russian ethnic or Russian speaking people in Ukraine are what led to this result. Which is why had Ukraine gone with Minsk or Minsk II it would have likely ended there.
When Putin says the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy, they typically cut the quote there. But the quote goes further. A lot of people found themselves locked into nations which they did not consider as their own when the Union fell. Remember that in the Soviet Union you were given a position, and then you were given housing according to your position. So a lot of people who were not actually native to a given place ended up there. You were born in one place and live there until high school, then you might have studied somewhere else, and went to work somewhere different altogether. A lot of Russians were technical experts so they were spread all over the place. Many ended up in Ukraine, or Kazakhstan, and there are substantial parts of them in the Baltics. Some came back but others did not. The sick thing is the US knows this and fuels the ethnic tensions already present in those places because of this as a way to weaken Russia. A lot of those countries try to force these Russian ethnic populations to assimilate into speaking their own language or even worse. So it is kind of complicated.
But this can be a problem. Hitler also started a lot of wars before WW2 with a similar argument. And you know what, a lot of people were actually in favor of him back then, for example Gandhi was a supporter of Hitler. Gandhi thought he was doing something similar to what they wanted to do with unification of India. But we know how that turned out. I think Putin should have just facilitated migration of Russians into Russia and left it at that. And he might have. But with NATO growing close to the strategic depths of Russia and placing major conventional and in the future likely nuclear weapons right next to the Russian heartland Russia is left with little choice but to make war to expand its strategic depth. Much like what Stalin did just before WW2.
When Putin says the fall of the Soviet Union was a tragedy, they typically cut the quote there. But the quote goes further. A lot of people found themselves locked into nations which they did not consider as their own when the Union fell. Remember that in the Soviet Union you were given a position, and then you were given housing according to your position. So a lot of people who were not actually native to a given place ended up there. You were born in one place and live there until high school, then you might have studied somewhere else, and went to work somewhere different altogether. A lot of Russians were technical experts so they were spread all over the place. Many ended up in Ukraine, or Kazakhstan, and there are substantial parts of them in the Baltics. Some came back but others did not. The sick thing is the US knows this and fuels the ethnic tensions already present in those places because of this as a way to weaken Russia. A lot of those countries try to force these Russian ethnic populations to assimilate into speaking their own language or even worse. So it is kind of complicated.
But this can be a problem. Hitler also started a lot of wars before WW2 with a similar argument. And you know what, a lot of people were actually in favor of him back then, for example Gandhi was a supporter of Hitler. Gandhi thought he was doing something similar to what they wanted to do with unification of India. But we know how that turned out. I think Putin should have just facilitated migration of Russians into Russia and left it at that. And he might have. But with NATO growing close to the strategic depths of Russia and placing major conventional and in the future likely nuclear weapons right next to the Russian heartland Russia is left with little choice but to make war to expand its strategic depth. Much like what Stalin did just before WW2.
The US pressed every country to choose a side, the UNSC and UNGA votes were not anonymous, same here. At least this thread give people the chance not to be involved.
Black Shark
Junior Member
People who complain that the entire Ukraine vs Russia thing is not as black and white as someone would want to believe... In the recent history it is the most black and white conflict that I can think off.
This entire situation is nothing else but Lebensraum-Erweiterung by US trying to destabilize Russia to split it up and seize the richest country on earth to sell it out like they already did under Gorby and Yeltzin.
Anyone who is on side of Ukraine is automatically suspicious, the very least a russophobe or a right out fascist supporter. Don't like what I say? Well, then please try to argue why a US jewish oligarchic lapdop with armed fascists that is trying to unleash WW3 just to stick it to the bad Russians is worth siding with?
This entire situation is nothing else but Lebensraum-Erweiterung by US trying to destabilize Russia to split it up and seize the richest country on earth to sell it out like they already did under Gorby and Yeltzin.
Anyone who is on side of Ukraine is automatically suspicious, the very least a russophobe or a right out fascist supporter. Don't like what I say? Well, then please try to argue why a US jewish oligarchic lapdop with armed fascists that is trying to unleash WW3 just to stick it to the bad Russians is worth siding with?
Exactly. That reminds me of an encounter with a Danish diplomat (he said he was) about Crimea around that time. He argued that China must stand on the side of the west condemning Russia, there was no middle ground, otherwise blah blah blah. I told him that if that was his attitude, he would get what he did not want that is China standing with Russia. And here we are.
I can try to stay out of a mess, but if anyone try to force me, blackmail me and shame me to do something, I will do the opposite. The first thing to learn to be a human is to have the right attitude.
Well a lot of people in Europe have an innate revulsion with regards to wars of conquest because of what happened in WW2 (and before that). The annexation of Crimea was perceived as such a thing. There was a referendum in Crimea but a lot of people did not consider it valid because the place was under Russian military control back then. But the thing is they had done polls before the conflict even started and even back then people wanted to be part of the Russian Federation. Only part in Ukraine which expressed desire to do so. If it was today, after the experience of the civil war, the LNR and DNR would want to be part of the Russian Federation as well I bet. But I doubt Russia will have majorities in the other regions. So I suspect there will be no such referendum. At least not yet. I think the Ukrainian government will actually play into Putin's hands if they continue doing similar things to the Tochka attacks on Kherson. Just like the LNR and DNR originally just wanted autonomy and now want to be federal subjects, the same might happen in Kherson.
Russia seems have a full annexation of Kherson and Zhaphorizhzhia Oblasts in progress, as well as full incorporation of Donbass. That basically takes away everything Ukraine has.
Think Yuzhnoye or Motor Sich will survive?
AssassinsMace
Lieutenant General
When the Sichuan earthquake happened in 2008, there were at least two US journalists that wrote articles taunting how the world didn't care if any Chinese suffered like the world cared for tsunami victims that happened before the earthquake. There was a US journalist that said he sympathized with Malaysia over the MH370 incident because he was tired of seeing Chinese families continually demanding Malaysia to resolve this matter. In black and white shouldn't there be automatic support for the victims? When black and white doesn't serve them, the US likes to make excuses and inject politics to something that's supposed to be black and white. They don't sympathize with innocent victims because of their government they don't like. Not so black and white. The last US action in Afghanistan was to launch a missile into the home of a humanitarian worker that killed everyone including his children. The outrage didn't last long for that one. How about the US bombing a Doctors-Without-Borders hospital...? Maybe they thought it wasn't a Doctors-Without-Borders hospital. Australia soldiers executed an unarmed teenager and they got upset that China made a big deal over it but they want to vilify China for not choosing "good" over evil In Ukraine.