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[Broccoli]

US President-elect Donald Trump has posted a series of tweets criticising China for its monetary policy and its operations in the South China Sea.

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[SamuraiBlue]

Wasn't democracy first practiced by the Greeks?
The word Democracy if I is recall was adopted from Greek( or was it Roman), not Muslim.
And again there were no prohibition in academy in the Greek world either.
Socrates teaching Plato leading to Xenophon and Aristotle is the oldest form of organized teaching to my understanding.

 

[kwaigonegin]

I would be interested in knowing the mechanics of the call.

I mean is this like a 'personal' call? Does the Pres. of Taiwan knowTrumpon a personal level and just called like a friend to congradulate or was this an 'official' state to state call?

If the latter then wouldn't the Obama admin be in the know? I'm sure it has to pass through the white house communications before it gets routed to Trump right?

I'm not familair with how official phone calls are routed.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Frankly your last two replies to me including this one... I have no idea what you're talking about. How am I playing victim? What was it that you didn't like? My choice of words? You think I went a little extreme? Well then some people shouldn't make absurd charges in the first place. If you read the article the pro-Hillary camp is blaming her loss on the most indirect explanation... if the US never traded with China, Hillary would be President... So who's the one playing victim? They brought up China not me and you fault my reaction that China is being use to cover up Hillary's flaws? So how am I bringing up China as the victim when they're using China as an excuse for why Hillary lost? If you don't want the finger pointed, than don't be the one pointing the finger in the first place. Maybe you think I should not say anything? I should let evil do what they do. I should know my place. Yeah and the idea of rights and freedoms Americans are suppose to embrace that they say they want the world to embrace is a fraud!

Yes I know people like you don't want the Chinese side to critically judge the US. Well then don't use China to explain all what goes wrong in the US. It's as simple as that. No victim card being played here. The victim culture is quite an American one. The reason why there's a victim culture is because the victimizer wants to control it. It's not about recognizing and helping victims. It's about controlling who is labelled a victim. Make being a victim a privilege that only a few get and all people who have been wronged or perceived themselves as being wronged will be fighting each other for who is more a victim and it becomes an absurdity and perversion. Which is why you bring up the victim card so you can reject it. Like Trump isn't playing victim. Like he hasn't been portraying America a victim of the big bad world? Maybe you think that's real victimization where US corporations make all the money from outsourcing and Americans blame it on foreign countries that these corporations exploit for slave labor. Americans play the victim card the most hence how they created the victim culture. That's what Trump used to win. Hillary lost because she thought she was the only victim.

Bringing up that I'm using the victim card isn't going to shut me up. That's because I'm not looking to my victimizer to like me therefore give me something out of guilt which is what the victim culture is about and which is the context that you know. Guess what? I don't care to convince you or change your mind because you're not my audience.

Why do dictators make it against the law for people to gather? It's because they don't control the conversation. When people get together, people are more likely to speak up when they find others that have similar feelings as they do and more importantly encourage each other to be more emboldened. Dictators want people to feel alone therefore it would be futile to do anything. I've brought up these incidents before... Americans don't like seeing anyone talking in another language around them... Southeast Asian refugees when they came to the US, families were separated and placed all over the country... I was in a car with a bunch of guys driving through UC Berkeley once and someone forgot an Asian was in the car where he then freely expressed how he was disturbed at seeing an Asian woman and an Asian man talking to one another as we drove by in the street. What do these incidents have in common? They don't want others to gather because they don't control the conversation. The internet has given people a new way to gather. Now you know who are my audience.

I love ya man, but when China has the #2 economy on the planet??? I really DON'T GIVE a RAT's AXE" what you or anyone else thinks about America, BHO and Hillary team do NOT represent the American People, nor do the people of KOMMIEFORNIA at UC Berkley.

So, I really do like you Mace, if we played for the same team, we would be big buds?? no doubt in my mind, you are a smart guy, and when we are talking tech, physics?? well no doubt in my mind that you really are my friend.

I made my comment to you as a friend,,,,I have LOTS AND LOTS of problems with the Chinese Communist Govt, past and present, I have 0 problems with the Chinese people, and applaud and even understand their hurts and angst from the past, and no they haven't always been treated justly, and for that you have my deepest apologies as an American citizen, and friend of China! If I'm out of line, you call me on it, I'm very sorry.

But no need to lump me in with oppressors, I hate oppression, I hate that a small group of American Socialists want to punish everybody, because they love to play the "VICTIM" card, and I am basically sick of it.

I'm sorry if I did hurt your feelings, that's not my intention, just to remind that those who aspire to great things, must overcome the petty blame game, and lead from strength!

 

[delft]

Wasn't democracy first practiced by the Greeks?
The word Democracy if I is recall was adopted from Greek( or was it Roman), not Muslim.
And again there were no prohibition in academy in the Greek world either.
Socrates teaching Plato leading to Xenophon and Aristotle is the oldest form of organized teaching to my understanding.

Democracy was first used by the city-state Athens from about 600 BCE until the city was annexed by the North Greek state Macedonia about three centuries later. It was a peculiar democracy in which all free men, about a tenth of the adult population, had the right to talk about the politics of the city and to vote to take decisions. They were paid to do so so they could afford to leave their work. The same men also formed the army and navy of the city. At every meeting about a quarter of the franchise appeared and it was not every time the same people. This way of democracy went extinct more than a thousand years before democracy reappeared in the first universities in Western Europe.
In the Bible and especially the Old Testament there are many laws expressed that can form a basis for laws of Christian countries.. The Quran doesn't have such laws and after the phenomenal growth of the area ruled by the Muslims in the first century after the death of the Prophet practice in different parts had diverged. Law schools, then called madrassa's, were founded and provided with income to continue to exist indefinitely to investigate these matters and decide what would be the best solution. To make that possible the members of the school needed the freedom to think, what is now called academic freedom. The members had different status depending on their capabilities from students to masters, Arabic mutafaqqih, sahib and mufti, in Latin there are several terms for the lowest grade and above that baccalaurus and magister, a term that was later replaced by doctor. The structure of these two institutions was very similar but for the Muslim one there were older institution to suggest the organization. In Europe there was no such internal example. And now comes the main point of this story: all members of the madrassa or university voted on the members of the ruling council .

 

[taxiya]

I would be interested in knowing the mechanics of the call.

I mean is this like a 'personal' call? Does the Pres. of Taiwan knowTrumpon a personal level and just called like a friend to congradulate or was this an 'official' state to state call?

If the latter then wouldn't the Obama admin be in the know? I'm sure it has to pass through the white house communications before it gets routed to Trump right?

I'm not familair with how official phone calls are routed.

I doubt about that. I am sure president-elect will enjoy lots of treatment like the sitting-president such as security details and encrypted/enhanced communication etc. But it is totally up to the president-elect to decide who operate his shadow cabinet. In this case, he will have his own chief of staff of Trump tower. White house may well be in the dark when the phone rings in the Trump tower. After all, Obama has no authority over Trump by any means.

 

[AssassinsMace]

I love ya man, but when China has the #2 economy on the planet??? I really DON'T GIVE a RAT's AXE" what you or anyone else thinks about America, BHO and Hillary team do NOT represent the American People, nor do the people of KOMMIEFORNIA at UC Berkley.

So, I really do like you Mace, if we played for the same team, we would be big buds?? no doubt in my mind, you are a smart guy, and when we are talking tech, physics?? well no doubt in my mind that you really are my friend.

I made my comment to you as a friend,,,,I have LOTS AND LOTS of problems with the Chinese Communist Govt, past and present, I have 0 problems with the Chinese people, and applaud and even understand their hurts and angst from the past, and no they haven't always been treated justly, and for that you have my deepest apologies as an American citizen, and friend of China! If I'm out of line, you call me on it, I'm very sorry.

But no need to lump me in with oppressors, I hate oppression, I hate that a small group of American Socialists want to punish everybody, because they love to play the "VICTIM" card, and I am basically sick of it.

I'm sorry if I did hurt your feelings, that's not my intention, just to remind that those who aspire to great things, must overcome the petty blame game, and lead from strength!

That's the problem with just typing letters on a page. You don't know the context of people's state of mind. Hurt my feelings...? You're mistaken just like I can interpret how long it took you to reply as being shaken. Do I know it's true? No. So don't believe you know what I'm thinking or feeling. You were playing chicken at being rude with that victim and whiny nonsense. Yes I know that was just a tactic to change my message. Have I ever made a comment to your posts against what you believe? No. I do with many others because they have been condescending. That was my respect to you.

 

[AssassinsMace]

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That's complete nonsense because Trump's nomination process has been pretty chaotic to have anyone on message. Trump himself clearly has shown an ignorance of the politics of the world. Really if this was a plan then say goodbye to any "help" expected over North Korea and other issues important to the US that they expected China to comply.

 

[Franklin]

Wasn't democracy first practiced by the Greeks?
The word Democracy if I is recall was adopted from Greek( or was it Roman), not Muslim.
And again there were no prohibition in academy in the Greek world either.
Socrates teaching Plato leading to Xenophon and Aristotle is the oldest form of organized teaching to my understanding.

Democracy was first used by the city-state Athens from about 600 BCE until the city was annexed by the North Greek state Macedonia about three centuries later. It was a peculiar democracy in which all free men, about a tenth of the adult population, had the right to talk about the politics of the city and to vote to take decisions. They were paid to do so so they could afford to leave their work. The same men also formed the army and navy of the city. At every meeting about a quarter of the franchise appeared and it was not every time the same people. This way of democracy went extinct more than a thousand years before democracy reappeared in the first universities in Western Europe.
In the Bible and especially the Old Testament there are many laws expressed that can form a basis for laws of Christian countries.. The Quran doesn't have such laws and after the phenomenal growth of the area ruled by the Muslims in the first century after the death of the Prophet practice in different parts had diverged. Law schools, then called madrassa's, were founded and provided with income to continue to exist indefinitely to investigate these matters and decide what would be the best solution. To make that possible the members of the school needed the freedom to think, what is now called academic freedom. The members had different status depending on their capabilities from students to masters, Arabic mutafaqqih, sahib and mufti, in Latin there are several terms for the lowest grade and above that baccalaurus and magister, a term that was later replaced by doctor. The structure of these two institutions was very similar but for the Muslim one there were older institution to suggest the organization. In Europe there was no such internal example. And now comes the main point of this story: all members of the madrassa or university voted on the members of the ruling council .

Democracy began in Athens in 508 BC when the last tyrant of Athens Hipparchus was overthrown and Cleisthenes reformed Athens into a democracy. Its a system were only male citizens of the city were allow to vote or about 10% of the population. It was a direct democracy where there were no elected parliamentarians like now but the citizens went to the ecclesia and voted on the issues. Even when it comes to war and peace. And their decision was sovereign.

The rise of Athenian democracy coincided with the rise of Athenian imperialism under the Delian League (read Athenian Empire) (478 - 404 BC). Where they roped in more than 150 city states into a confederacy after the Second Persian War. That league was destroyed in the Peloponnesian War (431 - 404 BC) against Sparta and her allies.

Then came the Second Delian League (378 - 338 BC) a smaller and looser confederation. That league was weakened by the Social War (357 - 355 BC) where several allies gained their independence. Athens in the end had to desolve the league after the Battle of Chaeronea (338 BC). And that was the beginning of the Macedonian Supremacy (338 - 196 BC). Democracy in Athens continued on and off in one form or the other untill Augustus declared the Roman Empire in 27 BC.

 

[Air Force Brat]

That's the problem with just typing letters on a page. You don't know the context of people's state of mind. Hurt my feelings...? You're mistaken just like I can interpret how long it took you to reply as being shaken. Do I know it's true? No. So don't believe you know what I'm thinking or feeling. You were playing chicken at being rude with that victim and whiny nonsense. Yes I know that was just a tactic to change my message. Have I ever made a comment to your posts against what you believe? No. I do with many others because they have been condescending. That was my respect to you.

Well it takes me a while because I have a real job, and a wifey who doesn't think this pays well enough to spend as much time as I do? I certainly intended NO disrespect to you, nor would I pretend to know what you are feeling?

Thank you for your respect toward me, and I certainly wouldn't want to reward you with anything less than my utmost respect, I am now bowing to you in front of my computer screen, as a friend, and a brother! I really am!