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delft

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What of it? Sovereign states almost always mouth high ideals and moralistic hyperbole, while doing whatever it takes in pursuance of their national interests, even if their actions directly contradict what they say they believe. Least we forget, westerners didn't invent the strategy and aren't alone in practicing it today.
True. But most try to avoid sounding absolutely ridiculous.
 

AssassinsMace

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What's called a tabloid in China by the Western media is any media that doesn't like a taste of its own medicine. The Global Times just doesn't go by canned answers like other Chinese media which is refreshing. The Western media doesn't like the Global Times because it accurately points to the critic's hypocrisy and ugly truths a lot of the times. I wish more of the Chinese media were at least as offensive as the mainstream Western media sees it if they think it's tabloid journalism. I think China should have a news channel that just uses the Western media's own tactics when reporting from the other side. They should have journalists ask for interviews with their country's top leaders and ask the hardball questions the Western media is too afraid asking in fear that they would never get interviews. And if they refuse an interview, they can explain to the Chinese audiences how they're hiding and afraid of answering questions like they would claim when it's the other way around.
 

plawolf

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What's called a tabloid in China by the Western media is any media that doesn't like a taste of its own medicine. The Global Times just doesn't go by canned answers like other Chinese media which is refreshing. The Western media doesn't like the Global Times because it accurately points to the critic's hypocrisy and ugly truths a lot of the times. I wish more of the Chinese media were at least as offensive as the mainstream Western media sees it if they think it's tabloid journalism. I think China should have a news channel that just uses the Western media's own tactics when reporting from the other side. They should have journalists ask for interviews with their country's top leaders and ask the hardball questions the Western media is too afraid asking in fear that they would never get interviews. And if they refuse an interview, they can explain to the Chinese audiences how they're hiding and afraid of answering questions like they would claim when it's the other way around.

The western media has always calls Chinese media names, it's just the childish troll bully tactics that's become standard in the west.

As the saying goes, don't try to argue with trolls, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. In such a contest, even if you win you loose.

What I think China should do instead is to fund a dedicated fact checking web service that systematically debunks all the lies and spin in western media with cold hard facts.

No commentary. Just the claim, and the truth posted side-by-side.

I think most people would find such a service immensely useful in the post-truth loony toon world the western media has been fundamental in helping to create today. And it would be an immensely powerful tool to help counteract all the propaganda the western media is spreading about China (although it should not focus just on debunking lies about China, most people would be far more interested in the truth around domestic issues).
 
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What's called a tabloid in China by the Western media is any media that doesn't like a taste of its own medicine. The Global Times just doesn't go by canned answers like other Chinese media which is refreshing. The Western media doesn't like the Global Times because it accurately points to the critic's hypocrisy and ugly truths a lot of the times. I wish more of the Chinese media were at least as offensive as the mainstream Western media sees it if they think it's tabloid journalism. I think China should have a news channel that just uses the Western media's own tactics when reporting from the other side. They should have journalists ask for interviews with their country's top leaders and ask the hardball questions the Western media is too afraid asking in fear that they would never get interviews. And if they refuse an interview, they can explain to the Chinese audiences how they're hiding and afraid of answering questions like they would claim when it's the other way around.

There are a lot of double standards, hypocrisy, and half-the-stories when it comes to Western reporting on China which are quite blatant to the knowledgeable. It is unnecessary, and likely counterproductive, to stoop to the same level of conceit and deceit. However it is absolutely necessary to be confident, loud, persistent, accessible, and relatable in presenting China's point of view, complete stories with context, and explicitly illustrate instances of Western double standards and hypocrisy when that is the case.
 

kwaigonegin

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There are a lot of double standards, hypocrisy, and half-the-stories when it comes to Western reporting on China which are quite blatant to the knowledgeable. It is unnecessary, and likely counterproductive, to stoop to the same level of conceit and deceit. However it is absolutely necessary to be confident, loud, persistent, accessible, and relatable in presenting China's point of view, complete stories with context, and explicitly illustrate instances of Western double standards and hypocrisy when that is the case.

While I do not disagree that there are certainly biased reportings in the Western press, the hypocrisy goes both ways. China is not exactly the poster oby of freedom of the press and certainly no total freedom to access information by the general public. Heck even Google is blocked in china and so are thousands of other websites.

You can't preached accessibility and 'truth' when your own people are subjugated to very strict and controlled media access.

This is actually backfiring on China. I'm sure many Chinese people do not even know or cognizant of Western negative press on them/government simply because they never had access to it to know and this is the fault of the Chinese government.

I'm sure the biased 'western' presses would be more accomodating or at least take it more seriously if 1 billion people complain about them all over the world all of the time than it is a few Chinese diasporas or immigrants doing it.

Imagined if Bloomberg, NY Times etc has 100 million China subscribers? they would instantly turn pro china in a heartbeat LOL
 
While I do not disagree that there are certainly biased reportings in the Western press, the hypocrisy goes both ways. China is not exactly the poster oby of freedom of the press and certainly no total freedom to access information by the general public. Heck even Google is blocked in china and so are thousands of other websites.

You can't preached accessibility and 'truth' when your own people are subjugated to very strict and controlled media access.

This is actually backfiring on China. I'm sure many Chinese people do not even know or cognizant of Western negative press on them/government simply because they never had access to it to know and this is the fault of the Chinese government.

I'm sure the biased 'western' presses would be more accomodating or at least take it more seriously if 1 billion people complain about them all over the world all of the time than it is a few Chinese diasporas or immigrants doing it.

Imagined if Bloomberg, NY Times etc has 100 million China subscribers? they would instantly turn pro china in a heartbeat LOL

Actually the hypocrisy of claiming to be the "free" media only goes one way because only the Western media claims itself to be the "free" media that's somehow "better" than everyone else despite being beholden to commercial interests, self-censors, and caters to nationalist, ethnocentric, and other self-serving agendas as much as most media elsewhere.

What you are suggesting is that Chinese authorities should just roll over and hope any Chinese audience's "protection money" to Western media will buy them better depiction at the risk of being brainwashed to serve the agendas promulgated by Western media.
 

Equation

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While I do not disagree that there are certainly biased reportings in the Western press, the hypocrisy goes both ways. China is not exactly the poster oby of freedom of the press and certainly no total freedom to access information by the general public. Heck even Google is blocked in china and so are thousands of other websites.

You can't preached accessibility and 'truth' when your own people are subjugated to very strict and controlled media access.

This is actually backfiring on China. I'm sure many Chinese people do not even know or cognizant of Western negative press on them/government simply because they never had access to it to know and this is the fault of the Chinese government.

I'm sure the biased 'western' presses would be more accomodating or at least take it more seriously if 1 billion people complain about them all over the world all of the time than it is a few Chinese diasporas or immigrants doing it.

Imagined if Bloomberg, NY Times etc has 100 million China subscribers? they would instantly turn pro china in a heartbeat LOL

Yeah but it's the Western claim to be the more righteous one with their blatant propaganda for so called "freedom of press" rather it's more selective to a certain point of view they want the audience to see and promote.o_O
 

plawolf

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While I do not disagree that there are certainly biased reportings in the Western press, the hypocrisy goes both ways. China is not exactly the poster oby of freedom of the press and certainly no total freedom to access information by the general public. Heck even Google is blocked in china and so are thousands of other websites.

You can't preached accessibility and 'truth' when your own people are subjugated to very strict and controlled media access.

'Freedom' is a ridiculously stupid measuring stick for anything. Just look at the entire cottage industry that has developed to do nothing but make up fake news, that had such a decisive impact on the US presidential elections.

That is where the road of all freedom no responsibility leads to. It's a true tragedy that no one of any power in the west has the balls to stand up to this false god that is doing so much harm.

By its very nature, in order to have any standards at all, you need to put in place rules and sanctions to stop someone doing whatever the hell they feel like. Rules and freedoms are mutually exclusive. You need to find a good balance between those two opposites, not to treat one as pure good and the other pure evil.

This is actually backfiring on China. I'm sure many Chinese people do not even know or cognizant of Western negative press on them/government simply because they never had access to it to know and this is the fault of the Chinese government.

Not entirely, there is actually saying in China that 'you can't be too CNN in life', and its not a complement.

However, the point is true to a certain extent, and people in the west should be grateful to the Chinese government, because if the Chinese general public gets unfiltered access to see the kind of bias, and often hate, on display towards China in the west, we will be far more likely to be heading towards a clash of civilisations nightmare scenario.

It's so very easy to wipe up a crowd into a rage, far harder to put all that anger back in the bottle after it had served its fleeting usefulness.

I'm sure the biased 'western' presses would be more accomodating or at least take it more seriously if 1 billion people complain about them all over the world all of the time than it is a few Chinese diasporas or immigrants doing it.

Yes, because complainting obviously had a moderating influence on the likes of Fox and CNN and got them to change their entire political stance.

Imagined if Bloomberg, NY Times etc has 100 million China subscribers? they would instantly turn pro china in a heartbeat LOL

Like how Hollywood is turning pro China?

If anything, it's seems like there is often a conscious decision to deliberate to further anti-China to avoid any kind of accusation of being bought by Beijing.
 

AssassinsMace

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China has a no-interference policy in relations with other countries. The West is highly critical of this policy because they want China to impose the West's moralistic standards to other countries. Since the West is criticizing it, it's because China pretty much sticks to its policy of not imposing any beliefs onto others. How is that hypocrisy? Basically hypocrisy is not practicing what you preach. If the critics in the media are accusing the Global Times of being a tabloid when they are far more tabloid themselves, they're a hypocrite. The irony that freedom is being brought up when imposing one's beliefs and standards onto others is a contradiction.
 

Janiz

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Actually the hypocrisy of claiming to be the "free" media only goes one way because only the Western media claims itself to be the "free" media that's somehow "better" than everyone else despite being beholden to commercial interests, self-censors, and caters to nationalist, ethnocentric, and other self-serving agendas as much as most media elsewhere.
You don't understand what he meant. You can have access to every kind of news, from every source in the West. In China you simply can't - there are no other sources than what they're said to write. And that's truth as we all know.

I remember that recently some newspaper editor just put some kind of anti-Xi faction kind of advert in a simple newspaper and... heads rolled after that. The same as in US. But in US you can go and read the story from the other side.
 
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