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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Basically she said that a poll had revealed that 95% of mainland Chinese who immigrated to NZ indicated that their loyalty remained with China.

Got proof this or is this just another one of your made up figures like with Chinese chicken exports to the US? And don't give hear-say as proof. I want to see the this study that says this and it better have used the appropriate scientific techniques.

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I suspect New Zealand is just like the US where many don't consider certain ethnicities as American no matter how long their families have been there. There are those that always bring up the loyalty question just like they do in the US. And of course that's racism because it wasn't at all about loyalty but to declare people as less and they don't deserve the same rights as the rest. And also to make people suspicious and ostracize those that are seen as different. They don't deserve equal rights. Given the history, what's more likely? You're concerned to include the Chinese (yeah right!) or you just hate and look for any excuse like noting Chinese girls wearing Hello Kitty t-shirts as a problem. Never really understood why would that be a problem unless one is trying note what makes people different. It must be an issue because it was brought up on a radio program. If you have this superficial problem just because of how someone dresses, do you think someone like this would ever be satisfied? If they stopped wearing Hello Kitty t-shirts, you would just move on to something else to complain about. Because this has nothing to do with loyalty. It has everything to do with making sure people you look down at will jump through hoops and do dog tricks for you. Does anyone else have to jump through hoops like this. No. That's why it's racism at the heart of it. I love the contradiction how the hypocrites hide behind freedom and individuality. But for the Chinese wearing Hello Kitty t-shirts is foreign and and shows disloyalty because these Chinese girls are not wearing what the average New Zealanders wear. Who's the commmunists now expecting people to conform?

The self-anointed champions of freedom and individuality don't want people to think to see the hypocrisy. While they hide behind indiviual rights, somehow wearing Hello Kitty t-shirts, as complained before, crosses the line. I remember when the first Asian supermarkets where I lived opened, there were complaints that they should be outlawed because some didn't like the idea that Asians would shop at their own specialized supermarkets and threatened the jobs of people who worked at like big American supermarkets like Safeway. And a lot of these Asian supermarket chains are owned by Taiwanese. Before that they didn't want Chinatowns existing. Chinatowns that rose because of discrimination and because Chinese couldn't walk into a any store owned by a white. Or I remember hearing on the radio people were complaining about seeing Asians buying Japanese electronics. They could buy Japanese electronics but not Asians. That was a sign of disloyalty.

There is a certain line that you can see with people who complain about other ethnicities being disloyal. It's the difference between whether the West has destroyed their culture or not. The fact is if you're seeking to control others, you don't like people with their own culture because you're not the one that determines its values. If you control what is valuable, everyone else who also values those things has to go to you to get it. That's power. Go call it racism and guess who they will show to counter that charge? They'll hold up another ethnicity they say they like who they happen to have already destroyed their culture and instilled their values to which they're in control.

What is disloyalty? Many of them will point to spying cases as an example of disloyalty of an entire enthnicity. China has 1.3 billion people. Taiwan has around 21 million people. In the US, Taiwanese are a minority among the Chinese ethnicity living in the US. Yet about 50% of the spies that are caught stealing for China are from Taiwan? So why is there this charge that Mainland Chinese are disloyal? Because facts mean nothing. Individuality and rights that they hide behind mean nothing. And they expect loyalty to racists who lie and hide behide rights they would never give you in the first place. I know there are those who say they don't support these racists. But what have you done to counter this? I know you shouldn't be punished for what others do nor should a broad brush be used. But isn't that what's being done against Chinese and the prejudice of disloyalty?


Here's an obvious fact. If disloyal Chinese are a threat to New Zealand, kick them out. Why not do that? It because it's called rights equal under the law. If the complaints didn't conflict with supposed individual rights, action could be taken. And you know why they don't take action? It's because no crime has been committed. So everything you're complaining about is about your own personal problems and prejudices and not about any laws that have been broken. The fact is it's not the Chinese that are a threat to cherished freedoms and human rights but the ones complaining about Chinese individuality being expressed.
 
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no_name

Colonel
Secondly Im pretty sure maori was not an offcial language then . If it was in the statutute books , it certainly wasnt practiced because certainly in the 50's and maybe very early 60's children were punished if caught speaking maori during school. A short sharp wack across the knuckles/hand was a common occurrence for daring to speak it.

I was referring to now and as a fact for people who might be interested, because it was a surprise to me as well when I first heard in lectures that maori was a part of the official languages of NZ that includes english (due to widespread use) and the NZ sign language.

Did you attend a private school or was this somehow a universal regulation for the time? Was this enforced in class only or on school grounds in general?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Did you attend a private school or was this somehow a universal regulation for the time? Was this enforced in class only or on school grounds in general?

I dont think it was a universal regulation. I think the dept of education just issued guidelines on the level of competency children had in speaking reading and writing and thus left it up to the individual schools.

I only noticed this in country/rural schoolswhere where i went for a time. There were very few Maoris that lived in the bigger cities.

Many chinese men intermarried with the Maori because of the poll tax , and the children mainly gravitated towards the Maori community.I meet these children in rural schools and having chinese genes in you so speak, we were sorta drawn to each other.They didnt speek chinese only Maori and children being children we sorta asked each other how to say this and that in each others language. Come to think of it, it was the maori children that got punished for speaking Maori. It was forbidden even in the playground.

P.S. Speaking to other people about it in latter life I believe it was a common occurence, it may have happened earlier as well.
 
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Schumacher

Senior Member
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So, you openly admit that this guy was 'nasty', and took 'particular delight in not processing Chinese visa applications in time for travel'. Which made it perfectly clear that he was a racist bigot who was abusing his position to unlawfully and purposely persecute an ethnic minority, and yet still have to bare faced cheek to try and spin this as Chinese seeking preferential treatment? Your moral compass is so off it's hard to believe. :rolleyes:
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It actually has more to do with cowardice than lack of morality. bladerunner is actually of Chinese descent himself.
When faced with bigotry and discrimination, the courageous ones would speak out or fight back.
Many more would probably just keep quiet while the cowardice types would try to rationalize the discrimination he and other victims like him face. Even perhaps eventually adopting the same discriminatory attitudes himself in the hope of being accepted by his tormentors. Pathetic isn't it ?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
The problem with your reasoning is that you assume "support" for china is dependent on china's "achievements" etc. I feel without western media BS contrasting with the truth (from parents who were there during the years of controversy; my grandparents were there during the 1940s, my mother was a student during 1989 and went to TAM too), there would be far less support from nationals, or children from nationals, abroad.

Life wasnt a bed of roses in China, during the period youre talking about, as I recall my parents sending money to relatives to help out.
Futhermore I use to go to the "China NZ friendship Society" functions. It felt so strange to watch news clips on what was happening back in china and then eating a supper which would have done a four star hotel proud. All of this paid for by a country whose citizens were feeling the negative effects of the G.L.F.
I knew a person who was a staunch socialist supporter and China who also went to these functions. He actually worked on a "Rewi Alley " aid project in China for 3yrs.1964/67 When he came back he was a changed person. By that I mean he did speak of China with the same enthusiasim.

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It actually has more to do with cowardice than lack of morality. bladerunner is actually of Chinese descent himself.
When faced with bigotry and discrimination, the courageous ones would speak out or fight back.
Many more would probably just keep quiet while the cowardice types would try to rationalize the discrimination he and other victims like him face. Even perhaps eventually adopting the same discriminatory attitudes himself in the hope of being accepted by his tormentors. Pathetic isn't it ?

Horse Puckey

The offical was merely doing her job on the immigration restriction act 1901 restricting non whites into Australia. There was an oportunity to see this put aside if the resident Chinese population were prepared to volunteer at the start of WW2. We didnt take it. and i think we had conciously decided to let the negative sentiments against our deciscion to dilute over time.
I believe a similar type of negativity was displayed towards the Chinese in Indonesia by the indigenous poulation, when they opposed fighting for indepence from the Dutch.

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Got proof this or is this just another one of your made up figures like with Chinese chicken exports to the US? And don't give hear-say as proof. I want to see the this study that says this and it better have used the appropriate scientific techniques.

Sorry Im not waste my time humouring you on this one. And im only citing from a newspaper article on the study.

If you wanna copy, including the methadology used,why dont you contact the author of the study over the net.

Dr Maying Ip
Dept of Asian studies
Auckland University
New Zealand.

"Blitzo" and "No-Name" attend Auclkand Uni maybe they would be willing to oblige

By the way as Ive told you god knows how many times about your chicken data accusation.DEliberately Taking something out of context and spinning it.

You raise it all the time when under pressure , like a child looking for reassurance that youre right.

Another thing Perhaps youve for gotten the occassion when you and I were having a heated exchange and Blitzo intervened after you were trying to quote me he said " Wait a minute A Mace thats light years from what Bladerunner said"

Thats a case of lying, if you twist something around so much that it does not remotely resemble what i said , or you have a comprehension difficulty which then casts doubt on your credibility.

AS for the kitty thing I suggest you can it. Youre embarassing yourself after poking your nose into what was intending to be brief off topic conversation.




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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
It is funny you can claim that you have nothing against the Chinese people when you rail so hard against the exact same people you claim to have no amenity towards with clangers like these:

TheCritcisms was directed at their actions Its not nothing to do with ethnicity. Go and visit the recently closed thread on the Hong Kong citizens views of mainland Chinese.















because it is extremely rare for overseas Chinese to not have relatives back home in China.
Guess what? so do I

I
t seems to me you have it in your mind what a 'good Chinaman' should and shouldn't do, and is upset because so very few overseas Chinese are conducting themselves in a manner you see as appropriate and think these 'bad Chinaman' shouldn't be allowed to stay, or should be forced to conform.

Why are you ignoring forum rules?





Yes, spoken like a true spin doctor, although a bad one it must be said. :rolleyes:

got you on the backfoot on that one lol





It is hilarious that westerns can go to China and spend a few weeks there and think they know the place. I have spent half my life there, and I am still learning new things every time I go back.

bully for you







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ave you seen CCTV's english service or read the english version of Chinese 'mouthpiece' papers? Don't make us laugh by suggesting that those will brainwash anyone.

I saw the chinese version news on syria the other day. on CCTV. It sure was diffent to our western version. Anything that would have contadicted the chinese version was shortened or avoided

As I pointed out because, the vast majority of overseas Chinese still have family connections in China, and most of them visit China. That is where they are getting their information from and forming that form the basis of their beliefs and opinions
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So Do I:p








Funny, and here was I thinking volunteering meant you had a choice. :rolleyes:
You do, Alec got his choice, he wanted to drive trucks in a transport battlion instead of being a ground pounder.

THe question is one of attitude Alec wong despite the prejudice he would have experience, did not let it stop him from volunteering . Compare that to the girl who was miffed at the attitude she felt was directed at her and her motherland.

President Kennedy in his roundly applauded statement in the 60's reflect what Alec Wong did in 1939 "Do not ask what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".



So, you openly admit that this guy was 'nasty', and took 'particular delight in not processing Chinese visa applications in time for travel'. Which made it perfectly clear that he was a racist bigot who was abusing his position to unlawfully and purposely persecute an ethnic minority, and yet still have to bare faced cheek to try and spin this as Chinese seeking preferential treatment? Your moral compass is so off it's hard to believe. :rolleyes:


see my answer to SChumacher in my previous post



So, there is absolutely no evidence that this girl obtained her qualification other than through the proper method, yet you saw the need to make a completely baseless slur on her. And the reason you did so? Because he is Chinese. So much for not having a problem against Chinese. :rolleyes:
There were grounds for suspicion


So only people who are loyal to NZ are allowed to be in NZ? Not even Hitler or Stalin went so far with their own nationalism drives. :rolleyes:

I said loyalty would be expected if granted citizenship, theres nothing wrong with that expectation
 
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bladerunner

Banned Idiot
Of course you're not going to show proof. Am I surprised?

you wanted to be awkward by stipulating that you wanted her methodology, and thats hardly likely to be published in a general newspaper.

So I provided you with her name and details and suggested you where you could go and get it. To 99.9999999% of the people, that would be more than satisfactory.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
I didn't demand you to do the study. That doesn't make it harder for you unless you know your proof is crap. People like you always demand proof from the Chinese side but you don't show anything youself. Other people have to do your work like slaves, right? Why do other members have to find proof of a charge you made?
 

bladerunner

Banned Idiot
I didn't demand you to do the study. That doesn't make it harder for you unless you know your proof is crap. People like you always demand proof from the Chinese side but you don't show anything youself. Other people have to do your work like slaves, right? Why do other members have to find proof of a charge you made?

For Fwack Sake Here we again. LOok you got yourself in a jam , give it up before you look siller



Here is what you demanded

"Got proof this or is this just another one of your made up figures. And don't give hear-say as proof. I want to see the this study that says this and it better have used the appropriate scientific techniques."

If you want to see in that format than you contact her (details already provided) because it was not published in the newspaper in that manner.

Im not gonna tell her her reports or figures are crap and demand to see her methadology
 
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