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From a capability standpoint the only real competition vs XM8 would be the Masada. which has the ability to use M16 barrels in a quick change existing sights and comparability with current Magazines. it also has the edge that it's made in the USA.
 

Infra_Man99

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Here are three articles compiling updated information on the F-22, JSF or F-35, and AMRAAM, which states that these news jets and their weapons systems have incredibly unmatched performance against late block F-16s, F/A-18 A to D, and F-15 A to E, like their their stealth signature, the stealth radar, joint fighting ability with other F-22s and other weapons systems, electronics warfare, speed, etc.

It is all most impressive according to these articles:

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Of course, the F-22 is not the only advanced jet fighter out there:

F-22 compared to Eurofighter:
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An interesting incident between the F-22 and Super Hornet (I wonder if these two pictures of probably the same Super Hornet "gunning down" an F-22 is real or "Photoshopped"):
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Read the comments on these pictures, which are supposedly made by US navy and air force fighter pilots. Most comments are just trashtalking.
 
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bd popeye

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Read the comments on these pictures, which are supposedly made by US navy and air force fighter pilots. Most comments are just trashtalking.

Trash talking is correct. NAVAIR and the USAF don't really get along..:eek:

USAF pilots think they are better than USN/USMC pilots. And USN/USMC pilots know they are better than USAF pilots because the USN/USMC can make arresting landings on a CVN...That's just the tip of the iceberg.
 

Finn McCool

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Trash talking is correct. NAVAIR and the USAF don't really get along..:eek:

USAF pilots think they are better than USN/USMC pilots. And USN/USMC pilots know they are better than USAF pilots because the USN/USMC can make arresting landings on a CVN...That's just the tip of the iceberg.

I take it that you are partial to the Navy?
 

bd popeye

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I take it that you are partial to the Navy?

Oh hell yea!:D

In 1989 when the USAF finally one a Red Flag event it was headline news on every USAF base worldwide..

Nowadays the skills of the USAF pilots are on par with the USN except in one catagory..arrested landings on a moving ship. The USN/USMC can..and the USAF cannot. Simple.

Aressted landings are a speical skill.
 

Finn McCool

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Oh hell yea!:D

In 1989 when the USAF finally one a Red Flag event it was headline news on every USAF base worldwide..

Nowadays the skills of the USAF pilots are on par with the USN except in one catagory..arrested landings on a moving ship. The USN/USMC can..and the USAF cannot. Simple.

Aressted landings are a speical skill.

In Vietnam the Air Force did almost no air to air combat. At least they were never intended too. For a reason. That was left to the Navy. If I remember correctly, that is.
 

bd popeye

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USN grounds 39 P-3 Orions

This is not good news. Some of those P-3 airframes are very old. The P-8(737) won't come into service for 5-7 more years..

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By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
Mon Dec 17, 12:51 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The U.S. Navy has grounded 39 of its surveillance, anti-submarine planes due to concerns about possible structural failures in the wings.

Ten of the four-engine propeller planes are currently deployed overseas, and Navy spokesman Cmdr. Jeff Davis said they will return to the U.S. for repairs and it has not yet been determined how or if they will be replaced.

"We are acting early, based upon engineering analysis and fleet inspections, to ground these aircraft before a problem arises," said Davis.

The Navy has a total of 161 of the P-3C Orions, and their average age is 28. It will take 18-24 months to repair each of the planes, for a total of about three years to complete the process. Those that cannot be repaired will be pulled from service.

The Orions are some of the oldest aircraft the Navy has, and they are set to be replaced in coming years by the new P-8A Poseidon jet plane. The Poseidon are expected to be operational in the Navy fleet in 2019.

Davis said it is not clear yet whether the rest of the Orions will also have to eventually be taken out of service for repairs.

The 39 were chosen based on their age, number of hours flown and other computer analysis that showed they had exceeded the amount of fatigue on the wings that the Navy considered a concern.

The Naval Air Systems Command issued a bulletin announcing the grounding on Monday, saying it was determined that the 39 aircraft were "beyond known structural limits on the lower section" of the wing.

In Vietnam the Air Force did almost no air to air combat. At least they were never intended too. For a reason. That was left to the Navy. If I remember correctly, that is.

The only ace of the Vietnam war was USN LT Randy "Duke" Cunninghamm...He retired as a commander. He was elected to the US congress and is now in prison for accecpting millions of dollars of payoffs to give defense conractors and other favors...
 
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sumdud

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Wait, then who's going to produce the M8 if selected? Germany? If M9s are made here, I don't see why they can't make M8s here......

Any words on Masuda's failure rate?

Kinda sad that the M4 is still being embraced...
 

Pointblank

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Wait, then who's going to produce the M8 if selected? Germany? If M9s are made here, I don't see why they can't make M8s here......

Any words on Masuda's failure rate?

Kinda sad that the M4 is still being embraced...

XM-8 is officially dead. It came out of the abortive OICW project - as an attempt to find something out of that multi-billion dollar waste of resources and time. The carbine version of the XM-8 has terrible terminal ballistic performance compared to the M-4 due to its shorter barrel, despite the weapon being the same length. Those who are testing the system at Fort Benning can best describe the system as being completely and totally unviable. The fact that they are keeping the system around for testing is to appease GDLS. The only supporters of the XM-8 is it's sellers, and their supporters.
 
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