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Schumacher

Senior Member
China has placed air traffic restrictions this few days that's affected flights from HK up to Shanghai. Some say military maneuvers are going on around there.
Maybe this is related to the initial refusal to let Kitty Hawk in.
 

Londo Molari

Junior Member
Though I can't think of anything really serious that has recently happened that would affect Sino-US relations like this. The only thing to come to mind right away is the trade issue related to the tainted goods fiasco, but that doesn't seem quite that weighty. Any ideas?
Take your pick:

"Theories included anger over President Bush's recent meeting with the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual leader of Chinese-held Tibet; displeasure over an announced $940-million U.S. upgrade to Taiwan's Patriot II antimissile shield; a desire to send a message before an imminent Hong Kong election; and pique over a U.S. report that criticized Chinese espionage activities."
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batskcab

New Member
from what i have read in the 2 articles, it seems as if someone in the administrative department made a mistake and they were pending for authorization, rather than being denied like the media is saying. another interesting thing to note is that, Kitty uses steam boilers not diesel.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
More likely the PLAN was conducting exercises about the same time, over the same waters. Displeasure over the political front is usually not taken out on military visits, especially after a series of high level visitations to improve relations. Besides if the PRC finds that great of a displeasure they can rescind Bush's invitation to the Olympics but they have not done so.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
I would have to add that the families on the Kitty Hawk and those who flew and waited in Hong Kong that did not get to meet their loved ones on Thanksgiving was most regretful.
 

crobato

Colonel
VIP Professional
The PLAN exercise apparently also caused much great inconvenience for air travelers around Thanksgiving, as there are many reports of airports and plane flights that were closed.
 
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China: Snub of U.S. Navy Not a Misunderstanding

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The saga of a U.S. aircraft carrier being denied entry to Hong Kong at Thanksgiving took a bizarre turn Nov. 29, when China denied saying the whole affair had been a misunderstanding. The White House said Chinese Foreign Minister Yang Jiechi had told President George W. Bush as much Nov. 28.

The Defense Department said it had issued a formal complaint to China and that Beijing still had not provided sufficient explanation for blocking the aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk, and eight ships traveling with it, entry to Hong Kong for a long-planned Thanksgiving holiday visit. China later changed its mind, but by then the carrier group was steaming back to Japan.

"Reports that Foreign Minister Yang said in the United States that it was a misunderstanding do not accord with the facts," Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told a news conference.

There has been speculation that China’s move to block the ships was related to irritation over U.S. plans to help Taiwan upgrade its missile system and a meeting between Bush and exiled Tibetan spiritual leader the Dalai Lama.

"China approved the visit of the Kitty Hawk group to Hong Kong based on humanitarian reasons. The decision made by the U.S. later was up to them,” Liu said without elaborating. Liu also denied receiving a complaint from the U.S. "The Chinese side has not received any protest from the U.S. side. I don’t think there should be a protest on this issue," he said, suggesting reporters ask the U.S. why its officials decided not to send the ship to Hong Kong after China approved the visit.

Beijing’s action came as a surprise just weeks after a visit to China by U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates that has been described by U.S. officials as positive. China-U.S. relations have improved since 2001, when their militaries broke contact following a collision between a Chinese fighter jet and U.S. spy plane.

But many differences remain over issues such as China’s military buildup and U.S. weapon sales to Taiwan. Liu said he thought generally that Sino-U.S. ties were developing well but expressed dissatisfaction with some recent U.S. actions. "We think that generally communication, talks and exchanges are progressing smoothly. Both sides have smooth communication on bilateral and international issues," he added. "But it should be pointed out that recently, bilateral relations have been interfered with and damaged by mistaken actions by the U.S. For example, U.S. leaders have met the Dalai Lama. Also on the Taiwan question, China approves of the U.S. opposing Taiwan’s U.N. entry referendum. At the same time, we have grave concern with U.S. arms sales to Taiwan."

It's almost as if China is trying to make this more serious than it has to be......
 

Si0r

Just Hatched
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US Formally Protests Over China’s US Navy Ships Denial

The United States has made a formal protest in respect of China’s recent denial of entry to Hong Kong of several of its military ships. The vessels in question planned their visit to coincide with Thanksgiving – consequently, hundreds of relatives had made the journey to spend the occasion with the 8,000 sailors deployed on them.

According to the White House, the US President, George W. Bush, has brought the issue up with the Chinese foreign minister.

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Infra_Man99

Banned Idiot
The US is working on improving its soldiers against powerful shocks, like those from IED explosions. Check out this article for details:

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Fighting Head Trauma in Iraq
Sensor-equipped helmets that measure the shock from explosive devices could reach the field this year.
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
M4 Carbine looses!
well boys and Girls the news is fresh on the Extreme Dust tests and the M4 flunked. with 882 malfunctions out of 60000 round from 10 units put up against HK416 with only 233, FN Scar with 226 and the head of the class..... XM8 with only 127 malfunctions.

So when will the Us drop the M4? Don't hold your breath. the Army says “Everybody in the Army has high confidence in this weapon,”

he must consider Delta force something other then army as in 2004 they turned in there M4A1's for HK416's
 
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