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RavenWing278

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that last paragraph of thpuangs post was kind of like a slap in the face for the chinese. "we won't support taiwan if it declares independence but we'll arm taiwan so that in the event of a chinese invasion, we won't have to".
 

adeptitus

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that last paragraph of thpuangs post was kind of like a slap in the face for the chinese. "we won't support taiwan if it declares independence but we'll arm taiwan so that in the event of a chinese invasion, we won't have to".

We're kinda moving OT here so I'll make it short... the position hasn't changed since Taiwan Relations Act of 1979. See here:
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Clouded Leopard

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Why?


U.S. to leave Cheyenne even as Russia flexes muscle


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By Kristin Roberts Wed Aug 22, 1:17 PM ET

CHEYENNE MOUNTAIN, Colo. (Reuters) - The U.S. military will move its secure command center from deep inside Cheyenne Mountain even as Russia revives military maneuvers that led America to burrow under the rock almost 50 years ago.

Construction on a new command center 12 miles away at Peterson Air Force Base is well under way despite security concerns that have driven some lawmakers to consider halting funding for the transition.

The move will shift more than 100 people responsible for detecting attacks on North America from a facility that sits under 2,000 feet of granite to a basement in an office building on the base that officials concede offers lower protection.

Air Force Gen. Gene Renuart, the U.S. commander responsible for homeland defense and protecting North American air space, says the switch is worth the risk of leaving a facility built to withstand the indirect effects of a multi-megaton nuclear blast.

It will combine operations now divided between Cheyenne and Peterson, helping the commander to receive information and respond to crises or attacks more quickly, Renuart said. It will not, however, save money as the military promised, congressional investigators have shown.

Renuart said the plan was the best way to make the most of resources currently split between the two Colorado locations.

"We can't accommodate all of that integrated command and control capability in the mountain," he said. "And so it makes sense to have that put in place where we can get the best unity of all of that effort, and that really is down here at Peterson."

He said using communications technologies to link the two centers was no substitute for having everyone in one place.

RUSSIAN MANEUVERS

But those arguments, offered repeatedly by defense officials for more than a year, come against a backdrop of tension between Washington and Moscow and Russia's decision to resume long-range bomber missions common during the Cold War.

Russia, angered by U.S. plans to place missile defense assets in Eastern Europe, said the flights were resumed on a permanent basis due to security threats. In recent weeks, those flights have come near Alaska and Guam, a U.S. territory.

Those actions, coupled with China's increasing military capabilities and concerns about the intentions of North Korea and Iran, have led some officials at Cheyenne to oppose the move out of the mountain.

Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of harm to their careers, they say the new command center at Peterson cannot be protected from nuclear, chemical or biological attack and its systems will not be sufficiently hardened against an electromagnetic pulse from a nuclear blast overhead.

A former senior defense official who led Pentagon efforts to close unneeded military bases said Cheyenne is one of just three facilities the United States should never close.

"Given the uncertainty of the future threat and the value of protected operation sites, that move seems to be excessively risky," said David Berteau, now a consultant with Washington firm Clark & Weinstock.

Renuart characterized both Russia and China as partners and said Iran and North Korea were not yet capable of a precise strike in the middle of North America.

"You don't necessarily want to live in the mountain just because it's possible that that country may develop (capability)," he said of Pyongyang and Tehran.

But Col. Andre Dupuis, a Canadian officer at the North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD), the Cheyenne-based U.S.-Canadian operation commanded by Renuart, bristled at a suggestion that North America does not face the threat Cheyenne was built to defend against. He said Russia may not intend to harm the United States but certainly has the capability.

"Threat is capability and intent," Dupuis said. "They (the Russians) have a very useful, capable, powerful armed forces and they would be silly not to use them in whatever ways that are in their best national interests."

"They have capability. I don't believe they have intent," he said. "But it doesn't mean we ignore them then because there could be a threat."
 

Finn McCool

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Admiral Mullen seems very keen on building a good relationship with China. Obviously that is a good idea.:china: It's nice to have a military leader who isn't paranoid.
 

Violet Oboe

Junior Member
Admiral Mullen can simply afford not being paranoid since he is in charge of the mightiest fleet the world has ever seen but as for his chinese counterparts the situation is obviously completely different. :(

Nevertheless PLAN's admirals should also being aware of the negative sideeffects of professional paranoia since being paranoid does not assure that you have no enemies!:D
(...at least they leave no threat out...:))
 

Schumacher

Senior Member
If true, this certainly looks like something more than the works of some amateurs.

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September 3, 2007 7:12 PM ET
Chinese military hacked into Pentagon
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Financial Times

The Chinese military hacked into a Pentagon computer network earlier this year in the most successful cyber attack ever on the US defence department, according to US officials.

The Pentagon acknowledged shutting down part of a computer system serving the office of Robert Gates, the defence secretary, in June, but refused to say who it believed had been behind the incursion.

Current and former officials have now told the Financial Times that an internal investigation into the attack has revealed it came from the Peoples' Liberation Army.

One senior US official said the Pentagon had pinpointed the exact origins of the attack. Another person familiar with the event said there was a "very high level of confidence ...trending towards total certainty" that the PLA was responsible.

The Defence Ministry in Beijing declined to comment on Monday.

Angela Merkel, Germany's chancellor, raised reports of Chinese infiltration of German government computers with China's premier, Wen Jiabao, in a recent visit to Beijing, after which the Chinese foreign ministry said the government opposed and forbade "any criminal acts undermining computer systems, including hacking".

"We have explicit laws and regulations in this regard," said spokeswoman, Jiang Yu, "Hacking is an global issue and China is frequently a victim."

President George W. Bush is due to meet Hu Jintao, the Chinese president, on Thursday in Australia ahead of the Asia Pacific Economic Co-operation summit.

Cyberspace has emerged as a new theatre of conflict for governments around the increasingly networked world. Earlier this year, for instance, Estonia accused Russia of orchestrating a massive attack that temporarily crippled government networks, a claim Russia denied.

The PLA regularly probes US military networks – and the Pentagon is widely assumed to scan Chinese networks – but officials say the June penetration raised US concerns to a new level because of fears that China has demonstrated the ability to disrupt US systems at critical times.

"The PLA has demonstrated the ability to conduct attacks that disable our system ... and the ability in a conflict situation to re-enter and disrupt on a very large scale," said a former official, who added that the PLA has also penetrated the networks of US defence companies and think-tanks.

Hackers from multiple locations in China spent several months probing the Pentagon system before they finally overcame its defences, according to people familiar with the matter. The Pentagon took the network down for more than a week to protect it while the attacks continued, and to conduct a comprehensive diagnosis.

"These are multiple wake up calls stirring us to levels of more aggressive vigilance," said Richard Lawless, the Pentagon's top Asia official at the time of the attacks.

The Pentagon is still investigating how much data was downloaded, but one person with knowledge of the attack said most of the information was probably "unclassified". He said the event had forced officials to reconsider the kind of information they send over unsecured emails systems.

John Hamre, a Clinton-era deputy defence secretary involved with cyber security, said while he had no knowledge of the June attack, criminal groups sometimes mask cyber attacks to make it appear they came from government computers in a particular country.

Gordon Johndroe, spokesman for the National Security Council, said the White House recently created a team of experts to consider whether the administration needs to restrict the use of Blackberries because of concerns about cyber espionage.

Copyright 2007 Financial Times
 
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If true, this certainly looks like something more than the works of some amateurs.

I don't understand - why would it be the work of amateurs? If anything it's been reported that it was carried out by the PLA proper, even if that hasn't been officially admitted. Flexing its muscles ahead of the up-coming party congress in China, or some such.
 
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I see you don't quite get the meaning of ".....more than the works of some amateurs."

My mistake.

I wonder why China does this when it knows the attacks will get traced back. Does it think it can't be traced back to the PLA, that it doesn't care if they're traced back, or even that the PLA did this without trying to obtain consent of the government?

In any case it isn't good for China's standing in the international community, especially when other countries have made similar reports recently.
 
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