US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread

[CaribouTruth]

Another interesting past study that also came from McD/Boeing. I wouldn’t be surprised if the F-47 is going to be close to this. The only known certain differences going off of the renders is the dihedral, and space between canard/wing

Separating thrust pitch and thrust yaw like that is very interesting! Neat way to get 3DTVC

 

[constalation]

Assuming that the canards do end up in the final design I can arrive at two hypotheses.

1. Boeing needs the additional functionality of the canards due to a underdevelopment/deficiencies in the fly by wire system.
2. They have placed even greater emphasis on maneuverability and the trade-off of possible RCS increase is justified.

Underestimating US knowhow is unwise. What do you all think?

 

[Gloire_bb]

Assuming that the canards do end up in the final design I can arrive at two hypotheses.

1. Boeing needs the additional functionality of the canards due to a underdevelopment/deficiencies in the fly by wire system.
2. They have placed even greater emphasis on maneuverability and the trade-off of possible RCS increase is justified.

Underestimating US knowhow is unwise. What do you all think?

2 is a rather obvious answer, i.e. this is meant as 100% functional fighter in normal sense.

PLAAF can ride on J-20 for main line air superiority for a while, allowing freedom of investment into force multipliers(J-36).
Plus there is fresh Shenyang design.

USAF - if the plan was to rely in the future on F-35MLU, it clearly doesn't work. Not for air superiority.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Assuming that the canards do end up in the final design I can arrive at two hypotheses.

1. Boeing needs the additional functionality of the canards due to a underdevelopment/deficiencies in the fly by wire system.
2. They have placed even greater emphasis on maneuverability and the trade-off of possible RCS increase is justified.

Underestimating US knowhow is unwise. What do you all think?

Don’t know, but imagine if the situation were reversed. Xi showed an oil painting of something like F-47 (J-47) in his office and claimed that it is better than anything out in the world and is the only sixth gen in the world and that it has been flying for five years, and something like the J-36 (F-36) flew over the Mojave desert with no fanfare but got captured by civilian passerby. What do you think the reaction on Twitter would be? What about the TWZ comments section or F-16.net?

 

[Biscuits]

Don’t know, but imagine if the situation were reversed. Xi showed an oil painting of something like F-47 (J-47) in his office and claimed that it is better than anything out in the world and is the only sixth gen in the world and that it has been flying for five years, and something like the J-36 (F-36) flew over the Mojave desert with no fanfare but got captured by civilian by passer. What do you think the reaction on Twitter would be? What about the TWZ comments section or F-16.net?

Yes, ultimately I'm giving about the same level of respect for knowhow on both sides, which is reasonable since we're talking about two actors that are nearly the exact same in resources.

I think once US conducts first flight, we would be able to tell more what this plane is. But so far even the CGI doesn't inspire great confidence. Not only is the canards a problem, the jet also looks small (or the cockpit unusually large). Suggesting this may be showing a tech demonstrator/trainer.

 

[siegecrossbow]

Yes, ultimately I'm giving about the same level of respect for knowhow on both sides, which is reasonable since we're talking about two actors that are nearly the exact same in resources.

I think once US conducts first flight, we would be able to tell more what this plane is. But so far even the CGI doesn't inspire great confidence. Not only is the canards a problem, the jet also looks small (or the cockpit unusually large). Suggesting this may be showing a tech demonstrator/trainer.

We are not stupid any more!

 

[iewgnem]

Don’t know, but imagine if the situation were reversed. Xi showed an oil painting of something like F-47 (J-47) in his office and claimed that it is better than anything out in the world and is the only sixth gen in the world and that it has been flying for five years, and something like the J-36 (F-36) flew over the Mojave desert with no fanfare but got captured by civilian by passer. What do you think the reaction on Twitter would be? What about the TWZ comments section or F-16.net?

Americans know what it looks like, they cope because they know.

Case in point
- "China is just trying to scare us" translation: I'm scared
- "China like to make propaganda" translation: I think J-36/50 looks super impressive
- "F-47 will be the best and beat China" translation: I think China is the best right now
- "F-47 secretly already flew for 5 years" translation: it looks like we're really behind
- "B-21 is 6th gen" translation: I have no confidence in NGAD

Americans aren't the most sophisticated group of people.

 

[iewgnem]

Assuming that the canards do end up in the final design I can arrive at two hypotheses.

1. Boeing needs the additional functionality of the canards due to a underdevelopment/deficiencies in the fly by wire system.
2. They have placed even greater emphasis on maneuverability and the trade-off of possible RCS increase is justified.

Underestimating US knowhow is unwise. What do you all think?

What they have placed emphasis on is cost and schedule, and canards (and possibly tail) is certainly cheaper and faster than figuring out tailless lifting body supersonic flight.

Has US defence industry or Boeing done anything in the last 25 years that was underestimated? Or is it a continuous stream of massive overestimation on every single project?

 

[phrozenflame]

F-47 Convict can be cheaper than F-22 on per unit basis if:

1. Higher production run
2. They outsource some of the capabilities to CCA, so technically, per unit basis, F-47 could be cheaper but in Pacific scenario, on system basis, it could be more expensive. And its easier to obscure this whole calculus to the low info crowd, which is the vast majority as can be observed on reddit and twitter.

 

[defenceman]

Hi,
to cut down in the cost in 2030s onward USA, might torpedo the Tempest (BAE)
this way Boeing can make extra bucks and Uk and other related countries with
Tempest will get sixth Generation probably Japan will get it along with UK and
later on other F35 countries if USA willing to provide them with 6th Gen
thank you