You talk as though UK or Japan actually has money for Tempest to redirect
US F/A-XX and F-X & NGAD - 6th Gen Aircraft News Thread
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Not trying to get off topic, but it isn't all that meaningful or productive to look at the GCAP (Tempest) through the lens of the F-47 or J-36, or otherwise to compare the GCAP to actual 6th gen fighter programs.
This will inevitably injure British egos, but last we checked, the GCAP intends to incorporate vertical control surfaces, .
Unless BAE, Leonardo or MHI got some seemingly magical technology that will render this tailed design as stealthy as the tailless designs coming out of the US and China, then it's time to acknowledge that the GCAP will in fact be a 5.5 gen fighter or a "6th gen minus" fighter like India's AMCA.
Therefore, the GCAP won't necessarily represent direct competition for the likes of the F-47 in terms of international sales, so much as just what some countries will have to settle for or otherwise make do with.
This will inevitably injure British egos, but last we checked, the GCAP intends to incorporate vertical control surfaces, .
Unless BAE, Leonardo or MHI got some seemingly magical technology that will render this tailed design as stealthy as the tailless designs coming out of the US and China, then it's time to acknowledge that the GCAP will in fact be a 5.5 gen fighter or a "6th gen minus" fighter like India's AMCA.
Therefore, the GCAP won't necessarily represent direct competition for the likes of the F-47 in terms of international sales, so much as just what some countries will have to settle for or otherwise make do with.
Not trying to get off topic, but it isn't all that meaningful or productive to look at the GCAP (Tempest) through the lens of the F-47 or J-36, or otherwise to compare the GCAP to actual 6th gen fighter programs.
This will inevitably injure British egos, but last we checked, the GCAP intends to incorporate vertical control surfaces, .
Unless BAE, Leonardo or MHI got some seemingly magical technology that will render this tailed design as stealthy as the tailless designs coming out of the US and China, then it's time to acknowledge that the GCAP will in fact be a 5.5 gen fighter or a "6th gen minus" fighter like India's AMCA.
Therefore, the GCAP won't necessarily represent direct competition for the likes of the F-47 in terms of international sales, so much as just what some countries will have to settle for or otherwise make do with.
GCAP is not going to participate in a war in the Asia Pacific though. The only real threat it’ll face will be Russia aircraft, so until MIG-41 comes out I don’t think it could be meaningfully challenged.
Japan?
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Okay a few problems with your argument.
1) Europe is very unhappy with the United States. The U.S. right now is at an all time low on popularity.
2) When you give up production of something it takes a long time and more money to redevelop the capacity to make it.
Tempest isn’t just to fill a mission gap for the British, Italian and Japanese airforces it’s also to maintain the capability of these countries to develop future capabilities. The UK is a perfect example of this. They kept fighter production via Typhoon but lost Tank and small arms. Despite having been one of the first to develop the Tank and being a major leader in western tank technology development for most of the 20th century the UK had to turn to a German company Rhinemetall to modernize for the Challanger III. British arms were once prized but today they are reliant on HK, Glock, KAC, CZ/ Colt Canada and FN.
in the 40’s-70s the UK had an indigenous civil aviation industry. Today they buy French, Canadian, Italian or American. The residual industry they have is slaved to foreign makers or completely ceded. That’s why Dassault despite many offers remains insisting that FCAS and GCAP remain separate. It’s why Japan has joined GCAP in the hopes of getting and retaining a production capacity inside Japan.
Isn't Japan a part of the GCAP consortium, or are you expecting Japan to pull out of the project and to buy American instead?
If there's any American ally with an actual use case for and will be able to afford 6th gen fighters, and will likely be able to secure congressional approval for such a purchase by the mid-2030s, it's going to be Japan, besides Israel and arguably Australia.
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In case anything is unclear, I'm operating under the assumption that the US will want Japan to be armed with a 6th gen fighter like the F-47 or whatever the F/A-XX pans out to be, if and when they become exportable, rather than just 5th or 5.5th gen fighters for the purposes of threatening and fighting China, even if the Chinese and the Japanese themselves are not necessarily all that interested in such a conflict.
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I can't believe you're forcing me to defend NCD right now, but their front page is literally full of posts dunking on F-47 canards with thousands of upvotes. For example:
Technically we don't know for certain F-47 will not have vertical stabilizers yet.Not trying to get off topic, but it isn't all that meaningful or productive to look at the GCAP (Tempest) through the lens of the F-47 or J-36, or otherwise to compare the GCAP to actual 6th gen fighter programs.
This will inevitably injure British egos, but last we checked, the GCAP intends to incorporate vertical control surfaces, .
Unless BAE, Leonardo or MHI got some seemingly magical technology that will render this tailed design as stealthy as the tailless designs coming out of the US and China, then it's time to acknowledge that the GCAP will in fact be a 5.5 gen fighter or a "6th gen minus" fighter like India's AMCA.
Therefore, the GCAP won't necessarily represent direct competition for the likes of the F-47 in terms of international sales, so much as just what some countries will have to settle for or otherwise make do with.
Canards + Boeing is basically asking reddit to hate you. Most of them wanted Lockheed or Northtrop to win.
That's not an unreasonable point!
do conveniently omit views of the F-47's behind.
Kind of like how some fat girls will try to conceal their obesity on Bumble or Hinge by only uploading angled and filtered photos of their face!
Regardless, only time will tell . . .