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Maikeru

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The timing of Maduro's capture (Jan 3) also sends a strong symbolic message to Iran. It took place on the anniversary of Soleimani's assassination.

Six years ago on Jan 3rd 2020, Qasem Soleimani was killed by an American drone strike ordered by Trump.
and 37 years ago on this day Manuel Noriega surrendered to US forces.

Still, some things have changed since then:

 
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talonn

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The timing of Maduro's capture (Jan 3) also sends a strong symbolic message to Iran. It took place on the anniversary of Soleimani's assassination.

Six years ago on Jan 3rd 2020, Qasem Soleimani was killed by an American drone strike ordered by Trump.
I have strong feeling Iran will be next.

Lets be honest, Trump has no reason to hold back now since no one dares to oppose him with concrete action and he doesn't have to worry about Noble peace price no more
 
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weegee

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Here is my 2 cents. If rumors were true and the Chinese envoy was talking with Maduro for three hours before the kidnapping, it's quite likely that they were working out terms of surrender. Its likely that China and US already agreed on the surrender of Maduro, and the US SoF were simply escorting him out. If China and Maduro agreed to resist, it wouldn't take them three hours to decide that. Recall 2022 Ukraine-Russia negotiations. It took both sides 3 days to agree on the terms, but only a 5 minute phone call from Boris Johnson to delete all that progress.

We'll see what happens to Maduro in the future. If he gets a slap-on-the-wrist treatment, then it's likely that everything was arranged beforehand.

As for the terms of the surrender and what China got out of it, I guess we'll see.
nah from the photos, the envoy members really looked cluelessly happy, don't think too much into it, it makes no sense to send the envoy on such a mission had they known beforehand, but who cares, China never invested too deep into Venezuela other than oil, they knew that it's bit of a lost cause anyway, surprise (and very impressive nonetheless) move from the US, its a high risky but full on showmanship move that solves little and asks for more troubles, if the US really cared about capturing cartel criminals, kidnapping and incarcerating one couple doesn't do much, the whole corrupted system is still there intact (as of now), if they really want to bring some 'justice' at least copy a few things from how China handled Myanmar's Ming crime syndicates.
 

talonn

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nah from the photos, the envoy members really looked cluelessly happy, don't think too much into it, it makes no sense to send the envoy on such a mission had they known beforehand, but who cares, China never invested too deep into Venezuela other than oil, they knew that it's bit of a lost cause anyway, surprise (and very impressive nonetheless) move from the US, its a high risky but full on showmanship move that solves little and asks for more troubles, if the US really cared about capturing cartel criminals, kidnapping and incarcerating one couple doesn't do much, the whole corrupted system is still there intact (as of now), if they really want to bring some 'justice' at least copy a few things from how China handled Myanmar's Ming crime syndicates.
Its actually concerning if China had no clue at all about this operation. I'd think that chinese intel and their sats could at least catch and predict US force mobilization.

But what do I know
 

Eventine

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You all are forgetting that the US troops met little resistance on the ground, as well, not just in the air. Either Maduro's military was really taking a nap (hard to believe given all the US telegraphing in the last few weeks), or he was sold out. So in that sense, the US didn't just go in guns blazing at Trump's command - they did plan this operationally with the aid of collaborators within Venezuela's government, who presumably turned over Maduro for a reason.

What those collaborators say in public vs. what they say in private are two different things. We'll see what their actions are in the coming days. Trump did promise a "second, bigger operation" if they don't deliver their end of the bargain, after all.
 
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