Ukrainian War Developments

meckhardt98 said:

The Russians use their justification of moral supremacy to wage a war that they’ve wanted to wage since before 2014.

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meckhardt98 said:

This invasion proves the point that Russia brings little to the table in military deterrence aside from its strategic nuclear force(s) and helps Europe and NATO justify a larger defense budget; which will lead to further escalations in the future.

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You kinda destroyed your own argument here. Your 1st point contradicts your 2nd point.

Russia is ultimately outmatched by NATO, so that 2nd point is true. But those nations which are outmatched don't want to wage war (it's not the optimal solution for them.) They only risk waging war when they are forced to. That's why your 1st point is false.

And this is why Russia has been trying to avoid this war since 2008:

Slowly and surely people would realize that the US companies can't be relied upon.

meckhardt98 said:

Your argument doesn’t work, Russia invaded Ukraine, arguably unprovoked.

Why would you surrender to a foreign aggressor that’s already predetermined that they will dismantle your nation and change your way of life permanently?

If the Ukrainian government had surrendered its very likely the people would still fight it’s occupiers regardless. It’s a war of aggression simple as that and many of you don’t seem realize that or the realities of war.

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Russia wasn't aiming for dismantling Ukraine at first right? If Zelensky abide by Minsk accord non of this would have happened. All Russia ever wanted was a neutral Ukraine, don't become a forward base for NATO, is that too much to ask?

Even the dumbest person on the planet can see Ukraine is being used as a pawn for NATO to poke Russia with, yet Zelensky is happy to be this pawn in great detriment to his country, what does it tell you about him?

Now though, yeah Russia is probably aiming to dismantle Ukraine, only because they've ran out of option. Still, a peace treaty now is better than a peace treaty a week or a month from now with god knows how many dead and the cities in ruin.

The talks have concluded

EDIT: i certainly hope the Ukraine offered to pay back the money for motor sich as a gesture of good faith as well as tech transfer of IP from motor sich pro bono.

KYli said:

Slowly and surely people would realize that the US companies can't be relied upon.

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CR929 when?? lol
Beggars cant be choosers Russia

siegecrossbow said:

How about Tianjin?

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Isn’t Shanghai the best place to make a deal?

siegecrossbow said:

How about Tianjin?

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Tianjin is closer to Beijing. Ask them to meet somewhere near the Saint Sophia Cathedral in Harbin. Mustn't miss a chance to promote tourism!

meckhardt98 said:

Your argument doesn’t work, Russia invaded Ukraine, arguably unprovoked.

Why would you surrender to a foreign aggressor that’s already predetermined that they will dismantle your nation and change your way of life permanently?

If the Ukrainian government had surrendered its very likely the people would still fight it’s occupiers regardless. It’s a war of aggression simple as that and many of you don’t seem realize that or the realities of war.

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They may not have a choice. If NATO aren't going to fight for them it's ultimately a losing battle and will only result in more deaths and destruction to their country. Russia may even pull an "Israel", continued occupation for decades, slowly pushing the Ukrainians into smaller and smaller territories while moving in Russian speaking settlers. Not that I'm advocating that.

The partisan option is a possibility. But for every Afghanistan and Iraq, there are far more failures like Belarus, Hungary or Chechnya. For Afghanistan that resulted in hundreds of thousands of deaths. Even if you aren't killed, being in prison isn't much better. The perpetrators of the Belarus uprising are serving 20+ years in prison. Even in America the Capitol Riot protesters are getting punished hard.

Low russian morale?

ArmchairAnalyst said:

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Russian morale?

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Smells like propaganda to me. The Russians’ rapid encirclements and captures of major cities prove otherwise. I would be highly cautious of social media posts and government statements from both sides, particularly the US/Ukrainian one, since the amount of crazy stories popping out from their side is nuts.