Ukrainian War Developments

Where is the RuAF? And what are the Buk and other SAM systems there for? Bizarre…

Bellum_Romanum said:

So many drones salespeople here it feels like a military drone convention

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The Russian drone salesman seems to be missing though.

Abominable said:

Cold war doctrine was that any tactical nuclear attack would be of limited use as it would likely lead to a full on nuclear war. That's why the Americans didn't really bother with them. The Soviets did because they used them for engineering projects.

I doubt America will sit around if a country in NATO is nuked. The UK has no vote in a full on nuclear war, the go ahead would come from America. At least for their tridents. France do have independent launch systems.

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What the USA could do ?
You mean a USA president will take a nuke on washington to revenge Warsaw ?

It is quite crapy to be the presiedent in a subterrain bunker, leadin few hundred generals and congressman, all of the smelly due to the lack of shower.

Anlsvrthng said:

NATO hans't got any nuke.

USA, UK and France has, and they will use it ONLY if they mainland attacked with nuke, or they are in direct danger to get destroyed by conventional force.

Anything outside of the CONUS, UK mainland and France can be nuked by the Russians.In worst case they will be sanctioned.

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NATO has nukes.

sequ said:

Come on! I kept low during the first days of the war thinking it would be an easy victory for the Russians. I'm pleasantly surprised how the Ukrainians are holding out. I'm the guy that almost always roots for the underdog!

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Me too!

I’m just being an ass, right now!

This invasion, though the motivations were justified, was just plain stupid and then it was poorly executed!

The Ukrainian people, like all of us, simply wanting the best lives they can honorably achieve, are mere pawns in their government’s foreign-policy; they don’t deserve for their lives to be uprooted and destroyed.

There were alternative ways to achieve the desired objectives; those should have been exhausted before all out war, at least!

williamhou said:

Where is the RuAF? And what are the Buk and other SAM systems there for? Bizarre…

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Well they need to cover their a** and they even moved topol system in Moscow... so they are planning for everything beside invading another country with young conscript...

another Ukrainian T-64BV bites the dust

If Russia does not negotiate to lift at least some of the sanctions, then the campaign would still be a failure - Crimea was already pretty much Russian anyway, while neutral status is too vague and hard to enforce IMO. What will be the mechanics that could stop Ukraine from reneging on that, especially considering how anti-Russian the whole country became? Another war?

Fedupwithlies said:

Supposedly the negotiations are over. That was very, very short.

I find the Ukrainian claim to be willing to be neutral to be an interesting development, and if the negotiations built off that, that's heartening.

However, given how short the negotiations were, and how this entire thing went down, I think the negotiations were probably fruitless, and neither side saw a point to it.

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Just willing to be neutral at this point is so far from the Russian position there's literally no point in talking. What about the territory they lost?

At the very least Ukraine will be giving up Crimea and very likely the eastern regions. I'm sure that's what the Americans or Germans will be saying. Remember that German Naval officer that the Indians leaked last month? He knew what was up.

The problem is, I don't think that's enough for the Russians.