Ukrainian War Developments

Fedupwithlies said:

Supposedly the negotiations are over. That was very, very short.

I find the Ukrainian claim to be willing to be neutral to be an interesting development, and if the negotiations built off that, that's heartening.

However, given how short the negotiations were, and how this entire thing went down, I think the negotiations were probably fruitless, and neither side saw a point to it.

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It was only the first round of negotiations. They basically agreed to convey the messages to Kyiv and Moscow respectively, then meet again.

Overbom said:

I thinks it is too early for negotiations. Give it another 3-4 days and they may change their minds (if Putin finally decided to go for proper war tactics)

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Both sides left. They are supposed to reconvene in two days.

Fedupwithlies said:

Supposedly the negotiations are over. That was very, very short.

I find the Ukrainian claim to be willing to be neutral to be an interesting development, and if the negotiations built off that, that's heartening.

However, given how short the negotiations were, and how this entire thing went down, I think the negotiations were probably fruitless, and neither side saw a point to it.

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There are three major Russian demands, Ukraine seems to be willing to accept 2 of them with some conditions. The denazification demand from Russia is so vague, I don't even know how Ukraine agree to it.

Anlsvrthng said:

NATO hans't got any nuke.

USA, UK and France has, and they will use it ONLY if they mainland attacked with nuke, or they are in direct danger to get destroyed by conventional force.

Anything outside of the CONUS, UK mainland and France can be nuked by the Russians.I worst case they will be sanctioned.

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Cold war doctrine was that any tactical nuclear attack would be of limited use as it would likely lead to a full on nuclear war. That's why the Americans didn't really bother with them. The Soviets did because they used them for engineering projects.

I doubt America will sit around if a country in NATO is nuked. The UK has no vote in a full on nuclear war, the go ahead would come from America. At least for their tridents. France do have independent launch systems.

escobar said:

I have lot of doubts about RU nuke performance...

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I don't have doubts about the warhead performance but definitely have doubts about the delivery vehicles. Didn't some U.S. Minutemen fail to launch recently? Those things are literal Cold War relicts.

escobar said:

I have lot of doubts about RU nuke performance...

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Pretty sure that they go boom, not sure about precision but it's more or less irrelevant... that conflict need to stop without that kind of dilemma.

W20 said:

This is literally a war between Fact and Fiction in a very real sense. The complete madness we are seeing in the media is an expression of a West made of silences, lies and fantasies.

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It's like the HK protest, looked like they were winning on social media. Not so much winning now that the dust has settled.

Overbom said:

I thinks it is too early for negotiations. Give it another 3-4 days and they may change their minds (if Putin finally decided to go for proper war tactics)

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Apparently RT states they are taking a short break for consultations, not that it had ended. But you may be right.

ArmchairAnalyst said:

Rubbish. No country with at least a hundred nuclear warheads is currently threatened by invasion. And definitely not Russia with 6.400+
What at stake was influence which Russia was losing rapidly in Ukraine. The invasion is just a last-ditch desperate move which will cost Russia more than it gains. Imo of course.

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How come the US always say China is a threat to the national security of the US when US has lots of nuclear missiles?

james smith esq said:

All of his posts are, actually, merely to comfort some insecurity of his own, and he’s displaying, here, for all to see. You know this!

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I think he's the Drone salesman for the Turkish drones just like our other friend who kept harping on Russia using Chinese made drones. So many drones salespeople here it feels like a military drone convention

Overbom said:

I thinks it is too early for negotiations. Give it another 3-4 days and they may change their minds (if Putin finally decided to go for proper war tactics)

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Can they please perform a comm blackout? Pretty please? It is painful to watch.... It's like watching a noob play your favorite game making mistakes left and right