Ukrainian War Developments

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taxiya said:
I am not defending Putin or Russia in my post. I am only pointing out who is responsible for China and Europe's departure from one another. Those things I listed happened before Ukraine crisis.


Whether Russia pushed Europe into US hands means nothing to the already deteriorating relationship between China and Europe.

None of Chinese's business.


Nobody is seeing Putin as a tool. Not China at least. Maybe people in the US always see other people as merely a tool, but that is totally another world.


Putin made a call that Russia has no better choice. Today's Russia is not China with the economy clout who can influence things without shooting. Today's Russia is like China before 1990s, economically weak and militarily weak. If US encouraged Taiwan to seek formal independence back then, Deng Xiaoping would have made the very same decision as Putin did today, regardless the cost. Also remember China did "invade" Vietnam and got condemned by half of the world (all Europe east and west, most Americas except US and some Africans), call that error of judgement or ego or pride as you will.

No, only the US would be happy to capitalize on Russia's suffering. China won't. People don't capitalize on their ally's lose, at least not Chinese. Chinese step in to fill the vacancy left by EU to help Russia, but you may choose the word "happily capitalize" as you wish.
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Please don't take offense but that is the same bs the Americans believe in.
No superpower or even great power throughout history has become such by being nice and pure, not even to their closest allies.
 
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james smith esq said:
All of his posts are, actually, merely to comfort some insecurity of his own, and he’s displaying, here, for all to see. You know this!
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Come on! I kept low during the first days of the war thinking it would be an easy victory for the Russians. I'm pleasantly surprised how the Ukrainians are holding out. I'm the guy that almost always roots for the underdog!
 
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Maikeru said:
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I expect handing over all responsible politicians and officers for trial at the Hague will be a precondition of the West for normalization of relations with the successor to the Putin regime in Russia.
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If the Americans can't be sanctioned from their alleged war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan (which brought about U.S. sanctions against ICC former prosecutor for daring to investigate) then I don't see why Russia should take heed or listen to that useless organization frankly speaking.
 
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sequ said:
Cool story bro. Meanwhile IRL:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1498334352870150146
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It could be true but I am more inclined towards a "fake" position. People usually don't speak so formally in the family plus some little stuff like "та" in the message leads me to think that the author was Ukrainian, it is a very little subtlety but a big hint for people who know the difference between how Russians & Ukrainians converse (Russian would use "да"). Another example would be "шо" instead of "что".
 
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Bellum_Romanum said:
If the Americans can't be sanctioned from their alleged war crimes in Iraq and Afghanistan (which brought about U.S. sanctions against ICC former prosecutor for daring to investigate) then I don't see why Russia should take heed or listen to that useless organization frankly speaking.
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Well, because if they don't the sanctions will remain in place and the Russian economy will really struggle to recover.
 
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Maikeru said:
Indeed. Not sure bankrupting your country and estranging it from your major market and much of the rest of the world, whilst showing your armed forces up as a bunch of incompetent half-wits with junk equipment, is a really great Grand Strategy.
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Dude, I thought, for sure, I’d git a laugh from you over my:
“Y’all’ve heard the word, “pusillanimous”? I have a new one, “Rusillanimous”!” post!
 
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Fedupwithlies said:
Supposedly the negotiations are over. That was very, very short.

I find the Ukrainian claim to be willing to be neutral to be an interesting development, and if the negotiations built off that, that's heartening.

However, given how short the negotiations were, and how this entire thing went down, I think the negotiations were probably fruitless, and neither side saw a point to it.
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I thinks it is too early for negotiations. Give it another 3-4 days and they may change their minds (if Putin finally decided to go for proper war tactics)
 
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