Ukrainian War Developments

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Bellum_Romanum

Bellum_Romanum

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FairAndUnbiased said:
Exactly. China is learning valuable lessons from the Russian frustrations in Ukraine. It is good that China is learning them now through Russia, and not directly. Indeed, Russia should've learned this from the US experience in Vietnam and the reversal of that in Desert Storm.

Those lessons are:

1. control the media and if not, make sure the media reports little to nothing at all. In Vietnam, it was very demoralizing to see US troops on tape being captured by Viet Cong or North Vietnamese soldiers and it made them ashamed to see war crimes committed by their troops. In Desert Storm they learned to silence opposition media and amplify their own.

2. don't hold back at the start. negotiations are for before the war or after the war, not during.

3. hitting infrastructure is key.

These critical Russian mistakes might have cost them alot more than the direct value of their military losses.
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This operation reminds me in some ways about the NATO operation in Serbia during the Kosovo campaign called Operation Allied Force. I'll quote the book written by the man responsible for the campaign itself, Gen. Wes Clark (ret.) book "Waging Modern War."

The choice of weapons was carefully considered, and ultimately, not left up to the military. Civilian populations and purely civilian facilities were not targeted. Operation Allied Force was modern war—limited, carefully constrained in geography, scope, weaponry, and effects. Every measure of escalation was excruciatingly weighed. Diplomatic intercourse with neutral countries, with those opposed to NATO's actions, and even with the actual adversary continued during and around the conflict. Confidence-building measures and other conflict prevention initiatives derived from the Cold War were brought into play. The highest possible technology was in use, but only in carefully restrained ways. There was extraordinary concern for military losses, on all sides. Even accidental damage to civilian property was carefully considered. And "victory" was carefully defined.
 
Aegis21

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MortyandRick said:
I would put more faith in Russian MOD than Ukraine’s. The latter has actually had put out misinformation for morale. this is just like the galwan conflict.
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Yeah it’s kinda odd to me though. Russia has been notorious for successful propaganda/psyops in the past. If you listen to Ukraine MoD, they destroy 2 IL76, killed 5x more Russian troops, shot down Su35 using a Mig29, etc. It all seems far fetched.
 
noone536

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anzha said:
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1497829514621112321

From the outside, this feels very confusing. Ok, well, more than the norm for warfare. Sending in what appears to be disorganized small groups of spetznaz in trucks...seems weird. Even for recon. At least this way.

Please, tell me what I am missing.
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they probably saw American do it in iraq and thought it might be different since their not humves. their is even a whole hbo series about. its called generation kill.
 
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