Ukrainian War Developments

Maikeru said:

By the looks of things the Russian Army could not fight its way out of a wet paper bag. NATO troops would make mincemeat out of them. It would be even worse for Russia than summer 1941 or Winter 1939-40.

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actually Russia is advancing 5x faster than US did in Iraq. If NATO could win they'd do it already, they didn't hesitate with Serbia so why hesitate with Russia if they're really that strong?

Wang said China supported NATO, the European Union and Russia in resuming dialogue on building a balanced, effective and sustainable European security mechanism, China's foreign ministry said.

"China does not support the use of sanctions to solve problems and is opposed to unilateral sanctions that have no basis in international law," it quoted Wang as saying on the call, in a statement issued on Sunday.


"We believe that the Council should contribute to a political solution to the current crisis, rather than instigate new confrontations," Wang said on the call.

Overbom said:

Another important thing is their human capital. Don't underestimate this, they have vast numbers of engineers and scientists. (If they are poor) Given Chinese funding these people would rocket Chinese companies to new heights

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It might be a bit late for that. If you can find any that haven't immigrated to the West already, by all means, go ahead.

But there are speculations of some remaining Ukranian engineers-scientists making job applications anywhere in the West they can right now, if you can entice some of them, then why not?

Helius said:

So I'd just point out what you're saying is the Ukraine side of the argument. What you think is ironic from the Ukrainian perspective is suddenly less so from the Russian side when you consider it's no secret and well-documented that for years Putin's been telling the Ukrainian ruling establishment to stay out of NATO, and likewise to NATO "hands-off on Ukraine", or there'd be a reason for security concern where there ought to be none.

We all know how that went, and here we are.

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Why do you think there "ought to be none [security threat by Russia]" when Putin repeatedly laments the collapse of Soviet Union as the "the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century"? I don't see any basis where it can credibly asserted that Russia "ought not be" a security concern when it's leader openly waxes about the loss of Soviet territories. I think given the fresh memories of Soviet domination, Putin the Great's desire for glory, it is not unreasonable to seek nuclear weapons or defensive alliances. Some members dismiss Ukraine as merely a 'US puppet' incapable of independent thought, but I think the fresh memories of Soviet domination and Putin's musing about former glory can easily justify joining defensive alliances. Afterall, Russia's weakness is only temporary, not permanent.

CasualObserver said:

It might be a bit late for that. If you can find any that haven't immigrated to the West already, by all means, go ahead.

But there are speculations of some remaining Ukranian engineers-scientists making job applications anywhere in the West they can right now, if you can entice some of them, then why not?

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You mean ones who become janitors in the US?

Suetham said:

This is the army that will face NATO and invade all of Europe according to the Europeans.

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Not according to the Europeans as a whole but according to the Neocon/Neolib US and its russophobic nutjob vassal states in eastern Europe.

sferrin said:

Oh please. You know nothing about the number of industrial workers in the US. I almost wish the connection would get severed if only to force us off the Chinese teat.

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Bruh, I work in a technical position in North America. Pretty much every job I've been at is desperately short on staff.