If the US was actually run by smart people and not a bunch of senile white old men. Instead, they are also trying start shit through Taiwan.
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Ukrainian War Developments
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If the US was actually run by smart people and not a bunch of senile white old men. Instead, they are also trying start shit through Taiwan.
It is hard to imagine that the U.S. would overtly signoff on no further NATO expansion. This means Biden has publicly lost the round with Russia, something which will have dire domestic consequences. What he may get instead is a behind the scenes promise from the West to not expand NATO into Ukraine, something unlikely to happen anyways. Putin would have to take this for now. It buys him a few years of time. Consider that the U.S. will have better economics going forward when Covid is done, this is a pretty good thing for Putin to strike some sort of deal today, even if the promise is given covertly. Putin will have a strengthened hand after Nordstream II comes online. The Europeans are trying to get the Nordstream online without pissing off the Americans too much. There was rumors that they may bring it online by June of this year. If indeed there were overtures from Europe to Putin where they will try to bring Nordstream II online soon, Putin will play along. Western Europe, having painted themselves into a corner with their energy policy, will need more natural gas from Russia if their industries are going to survive and prosper.
I don't think the Russians will try to start a war with Ukraine. Based on past behavior, they would have done so by now if that was their intent. This must be the most widely telegraphed invasion in the history of Russia if this was their intention.
In the longer run, the West is undergoing a rapid decline, so Russia just need to buy a decade of time before the U.S. would lose our ability to mettle in Ukraine as we are currently doing. In the mean time, all the economic failure of Ukraine will lead to a different (maybe less hostile) government. Once the U.S. leaves that area as we have done with Afghanistan and Syria, the Ukrainian government will have to re-establish friendly relationship with Russia anyways.
I don't think the Russians will try to start a war with Ukraine. Based on past behavior, they would have done so by now if that was their intent. This must be the most widely telegraphed invasion in the history of Russia if this was their intention.
In the longer run, the West is undergoing a rapid decline, so Russia just need to buy a decade of time before the U.S. would lose our ability to mettle in Ukraine as we are currently doing. In the mean time, all the economic failure of Ukraine will lead to a different (maybe less hostile) government. Once the U.S. leaves that area as we have done with Afghanistan and Syria, the Ukrainian government will have to re-establish friendly relationship with Russia anyways.
This crisis began in 2008, and we may have to wait until, say, 2028 to see how it ends
For now we see
What the Russians are asking for is quite reasonable: that the Minsk agreement be fulfilled and that Ukraine not be part of NATO
(I look forward to the day when Mexico and Scotland become part of a military alliance with China)
(On a more serious note, I would like to say that it is easy to understand the Russian point of view)
On the other hand we see that US/UK want at all costs to prevent Germany from thinking and acting on its own. NATO is an instrument in the service of Washington's foreign policy and one of its main functions is to prevent Germany from having good relations with Russia. Washington's nightmare is to lose the "club of European vassals."
The US would love to have the EUpoors to cancel the NS2. Their industry would be shot and thus the EU would be successfully handicappedOn the other hand we see that US/UK want at all costs to prevent Germany from thinking and acting on its own. NATO is an instrument in the service of Washington's foreign policy and one of its main functions is to prevent Germany from having good relations with Russia. Washington's nightmare
the mission of NATO is claimed to be: keep Russia out, keep Germany down. but the ever expanding NATO starts to undermine its own mission. most of the new members are simply free riders. and the ever expanding EU has the same problem. if the West wants to defend its core interest, it should try to strip both NATO and EU to a few core members.
"expanding NATO starts to undermine its own mission"
No
NATO's mission in Europe is to create instability in Europe in order to prevent Germany and France from having good relations with Russia at all costs.
To turn Russia again and again into an enemy, to annoy Russia, to insult Russia ... That is the real mission of NATO in Europe, the rest are tales for children and plebs.
This is the result of a visceral passion, the deep and incurable Russophobia of a large part of the Anglo-imperial oligarchy, on the one hand, and a cynical calculation, on the other.
No
NATO's mission in Europe is to create instability in Europe in order to prevent Germany and France from having good relations with Russia at all costs.
To turn Russia again and again into an enemy, to annoy Russia, to insult Russia ... That is the real mission of NATO in Europe, the rest are tales for children and plebs.
This is the result of a visceral passion, the deep and incurable Russophobia of a large part of the Anglo-imperial oligarchy, on the one hand, and a cynical calculation, on the other.
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"expanding NATO starts to undermine its own mission"
No
NATO's mission in Europe is to create instability in Europe in order to prevent Germany and France from having good relations with Russia at all costs.
To turn Russia again and again into an enemy, to annoy Russia, to insult Russia ... That is the real mission of NATO in Europe, the rest are tales for children and plebs.
that's old tale. today European affairs are negotiated over Europeans head.
That is exactly what I said: NATO is an instrument at the service of Washington's foreign policy, and more specifically a way of expressing the deep Russophobia of a large part of the Anglo-imperial oligarchy
And on top of that, you annoy the Germans
Win-win-win
Germans have neither freedom of thought nor freedom of expression
"The West" is nothing other than the heir to the British empire.
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Empire of the Romans (Rom)
Big Crisis (250-300)
Empire of the Romans (Constantinopla)
AngloEmpire A (London) (1814-)
Big Crisis (1914-1949)
AngloEmpire B (Washington) (-2049)
And on top of that, you annoy the Germans
Win-win-win
Germans have neither freedom of thought nor freedom of expression
"The West" is nothing other than the heir to the British empire.
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Empire of the Romans (Rom)
Big Crisis (250-300)
Empire of the Romans (Constantinopla)
AngloEmpire A (London) (1814-)
Big Crisis (1914-1949)
AngloEmpire B (Washington) (-2049)
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You can't make this stuff up:
The US neocon/neolib regime and its propaganda/misinformation outlets are now saying that Russia is trying to do (what the US regime has done itself in 2014):
The Anglo-American imperialist regime seems increasingly desperate to kick-off a large war in Ukraine in an attempt to undermine Russia more. Their window of opportunity against Russia (and China) is closing fast.
The US neocon/neolib regime and its propaganda/misinformation outlets are now saying that Russia is trying to do (what the US regime has done itself in 2014):
The Anglo-American imperialist regime seems increasingly desperate to kick-off a large war in Ukraine in an attempt to undermine Russia more. Their window of opportunity against Russia (and China) is closing fast.
Because Europe refuses to get its act together. Instead of creating a fairly united block of responsible and sovereign nations we have a collection of US vassal states that go along with US neocon/neolib aggression against the world, which in turn undermines global peace and stability.that's old tale. today European affairs are negotiated over Europeans head.
Their subservient / appeasement policy towards the neocon/neolib US can and will get back to haunt them and the rest of the world if they do not change course. Neo-imperialist aggression, has to be confronted before it escalates into a global war. It seems Europe has learned nothing from the 1930s/40s.
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