Ukrainian War Developments

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escobar

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I think it is not widely appreciated how limited Russia’s play really is here, and how much more constrained Russia’s material situation is in economic terms. Putin has placed himself in a difficult position. Now he must use those troops soon or face the humiliation of withdrawing them without achieving anything except pushing Ukraine closer to the west
 
sheogorath

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Considering how Russia has managed to defuse Belarus and Kazakhstan while dealing with the Ukranians and the US has nothing to show anything for all of it, other than, incredibly, making China's usual neutral foreing policy chose a side while the EU is in turmoil wether to keep following the US lunancy or not, you'd be undestimating Russia's hand.

Crimea will still be Russian, and eastern Ukraine will still be out of Kiev's control
 
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I still think that Putin will get what he wants from the West. That he made a move now it means that Russia has smelled an opening to get concessions from the West

Chinese border secure.
Kazakhstan premature colour revolution solved.
Belarus secured.
Afghanistan is secured. Taliban controlled but Americans are out. Net positive for Russia

All he has to deal with now is Ukraine. As long as Russia has the Chinese border secured then it has a lot more freedom to deal with other theaters. Look at where the moving military units are coming from.. its from the Far East
 
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escobar said:
I think it is not widely appreciated how limited Russia’s play really is here, and how much more constrained Russia’s material situation is in economic terms. Putin has placed himself in a difficult position. Now he must use those troops soon or face the humiliation of withdrawing them without achieving anything except pushing Ukraine closer to the west
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Russia could easily invade Europe at least until the Oder river. If not until the Rhine river. If they wanted to.
The rapid mobilization Russia demonstrated is simply impossible for NATO forces in Europe to pull off.
With regards to their economy Russia is self-sufficient in terms of energy and food. If the US insists on its preemptive sanctions nonsense there is little point in Russia bothering to trade with them anymore either.
 
james smith esq

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escobar said:
I think it is not widely appreciated how limited Russia’s play really is here, and how much more constrained Russia’s material situation is in economic terms. Putin has placed himself in a difficult position. Now he must use those troops soon or face the humiliation of withdrawing them without achieving anything except pushing Ukraine closer to the west
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Your analyses is far to based in objective reality for it be be, widely, appreciated, here!
 
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US/UK says Russia is preparing for Surprise Invasion.
US/UK says Russia is preparing for False-Flag Operation.
US/UK says Russia is preparing to install a Pro-Russian Puppet Gov't.

I can't take any of these news seriously. This must be the slowest and most predictable "surprise invasion/false flag/conquest" I've ever seen. It's so well advertised!
 
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US/UK says Russia is preparing for Surprise Invasion.
US/UK says Russia is preparing for False-Flag Operation.
US/UK says Russia is preparing to install a Pro-Russian Puppet Gov't.

I can't take any of these news seriously. This must be the slowest and most predictable "surprise invasion/false flag/conquest" I've ever seen. It's so well advertised!

Part of the U.S.' Strategic Shaping and Influencing Campaign. Preparing the "public Opinion" battlespace.
 
Suetham

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Overbom said:
I still think that Putin will get what he wants from the West. That he made a move now it means that Russia has smelled an opening to get concessions from the West

Chinese border secure.
Kazakhstan premature colour revolution solved.
Belarus secured.
Afghanistan is secured. Taliban controlled but Americans are out. Net positive for Russia

All he has to deal with now is Ukraine. As long as Russia has the Chinese border secured then it has a lot more freedom to deal with other theaters. Look at where the moving military units are coming from.. its from the Far East
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I agree that the Russian position is secure now that the US has been expelled from Afghanistan, Kazakhstan stable, Belarus as well and the borders with China secure, but I don't think Putin will get what he wants. This frees up scope to engage in Ukraine, the most troubled side of Russians now and for the foreseeable future.

But what he stopped is far from being accepted by NATO, but the West definitely may have to backtrack on something to accept some Russian demand, this has been confirmed by Lavrov himself, strategic patience has really run out.
 
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