Ukrainian War Developments

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Fedupwithlies

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US took 3 weeks to reach Baghdad in Iraq in a 1v6 after whittling Iraq down in a low intensity hybrid war of attrition. Baghdad Bob was speaking even up to the end.
I think the difference between the Iraq Wars and this war is the amount of coverage on the side of the attackers.

When the US was in Iraq there was non-stop footage of the US military, and there was non-stop coverage of how great they were and how just they were and so on and so on. Even for journalists embedded on the Iraq side, they showed non-stop missile strikes and artillery strikes. So even though they hadn't even gotten to Baghdad yet, it was already a huge spectacle, like a Hollywood movie.

This time, there's very little coming out of the Russian side. Everything is Ukrainian, because the MSM won't show anything else of course, and therefore its all stories of valiant defense, of bravery under fire.
 

gelgoog

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I forsee the US attempting to step in to supply gas to Europe. US O&G companies could get some windfall from this conflict. But Europe will be paying premium for American gas. Especially with O&G prices are soaring, American O&G corporations are gonna fleece the Europeans. Classic capitalism. Cost of living in Europe is gonna go even higher than it already is. Societal problems coming over the horizon.
Try doing the math on how many ships you would need to replace Russian piped gas transit to Europe. I heard one guy who estimated you would need 1000 LNG carrier ships. If that is true, good luck. Europe does not have the port facilities either.
No, Europe will either have to suck it up, or turn the coal and nuclear power plants back up. Probably both.

The Qataris are one of the top LNG producers. And this is what they had to say.
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They have long term contracts with Asia and won't accept Europe's shitty short term contracts. They can at best divert like 15% of their LNG. You would need *all* the LNG Qatar, Australia, and the US produced last year. Those are the world's top #3 LNG producers. And #4 is... Russia.
 
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LCR34

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I think the difference between the Iraq Wars and this war is the amount of coverage on the side of the attackers.

When the US was in Iraq there was non-stop footage of the US military, and there was non-stop coverage of how great they were and how just they were and so on and so on. Even for journalists embedded on the Iraq side, they showed non-stop missile strikes and artillery strikes. So even though they hadn't even gotten to Baghdad yet, it was already a huge spectacle, like a Hollywood movie.

This time, there's very little coming out of the Russian side. Everything is Ukrainian, because the MSM won't show anything else of course, and therefore its all stories of valiant defense, of bravery under fire.
Even Syrian civil war has more footage.
 

9dashline

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Try doing the math on how many ships you would need to replace Russian piped gas transit to Europe. I heard one guy who estimated you would need 1000 LNG carrier ships. If that is true, good luck. Europe does not have the port facilities either.
Yup its net usable energy that counts, shipping it all the way from US dramatically decreases the EROEI
 

Sardaukar20

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@Sardaukar20 bro, I never seen an intellectual European countries act so stupidly, Why hurt yourself when you don't have a beef in the game. Where are the De Gaulles and Helmut Kohl the great pragmatic leaders. I'm disappointed in Merkel , she have the stature to carry Europe to be a third bloc BUT the Atlanticism in her is so strong, that she was blinded by ideology rather than Europe interest.
Yup. The last true good German chancellor was Gerhard Schroder. He opposed the Iraq war in 2003, and was pushing for more EU openness with Eurasia. Don't know if his intentions were honest, since he is a board member of Gazprom today. But Germany under him was quite progressive at that time.

Washington then played with the German elections and installed their pet, Angela Merkel in 2005. Angela Merkel pulled Germany back to Atlanticism again. She did have a few clashes with Trump, but she is still subservient to America. Nothing like Schroder's defiance to Bush Jr's America.

Olaf Scholz today looks very much like your typical spineless US-ally country leader. He looks even more spineless than Macron. At best, he had abit of Merkel's pragmatism. But we better not keep our hopes up. Germany is pretty much a colony of the US.
 

j17wang

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I dont know which country you live in but there is something called International law and that would be a breach of international law and the Geneva convention

Russia will have to answer to International court at The Hague and all the evidence is being documented by independent regulators

Russia will never be allowed to get away with this and West will punish Russia very hard for this crime

banning Swift for Russia is the toughest sanction anyone can get hit with, 11,000 banks World-wide use it

over $2 trillion of Russian assets are about to be seized and Finland and Sweden are wanting to join NATO

total disaster for Russia, this was the most stupid thing Putin could have ever done

Hey, the only reason your country wasn't glassed by the US was because you had nukes. OBL was holed up in Pakistan for years, and there was a good chunck of republicans who wanted to reduce your population from 200 million to zero.

But guess what, you had nukes. So does Russia. Pakistan was untouched after harbouring OBL for years 2 miles away from your version of west point, and Russia will remain untouched as well. Move on.

(none of this should be construed as confirming OBL colluded with Pakistan government, but like we know, might is right).
 

semiconprof

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I doubt Ukraine has the slightest idea where Russian mobile ICBMs are located. Moving them to Moscow (if they are) seems strange. Ukraine has nothing that would require a full blown ABM system to defend against even if they did know where they were and, by some miracle, could target them. S-300V and S-400 would be plenty I'd think.
Could it be a precautionary move in case of a sneak attack from NATO?
 
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