Ukrainian War Developments

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james smith esq

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LCR34 said:
1. Superior forces.
2. Superior Sensory awareness.
3. Superior Technology.
4. Superior firepower.
5. Unfair advantage (Awacs, EW)

Shock and awe. It doesnt only destroy physical enemies, but destroy morale too.
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All is fair in love, business, tag, and war!
 
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Suetham said:
The point defense is to shoot down aircraft flying over at low altitudes, Osa has a range altitude of 5 km, an aircraft above that, even using unguided bomb, manages to have good accuracy. Above altitudes greater than 10 km it would necessarily need to employ guided munitions, the Russians tested this in Syria.
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Even at low altitudes, against SEAD/DEAD fighters, with ECM support, they are at a disadvantage. Even a gunship can take out a SAM. The US used Apaches to take out a lot of Iraqi SAMs in 1991. Helos can hide behind a tree, pop up, launch its missile, and go back down under cover. And then there's the cruise missiles which have been very active in this conflict.

This is why those SAMs are hiding between (civillian) houses (which by the way, severely restricts their radar scope.) That picture is a few hours old. So it's possible they've already been taken out in the many strikes that Kiev witnessed tonight.
 
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Mohsin77 said:
Even at low altitudes, against SEAD/DEAD fighters, with ECM support, they are at a disadvantage. Even a gunship can take out a SAM. The US used Apaches to take out a lot of Iraqi SAMs in 1991. Helos can hide behind a tree, pop up, launch its missile, and go back down under cover. And then there's the cruise missiles which have been very active in this conflict.
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Obviously an air defense unit will be at a disadvantage, the attacker will always have the initiative in combat. But this is still a serious threat. I totally agree with the helicopter's stance on taking down low-range, high-altitude SAMs, the Russians employed this in Ukraine destroying a Buk in a post a few minutes ago.
 
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anzha said:
Some thoughts before the dawn of day three.

1. The disinformation is all over the place. Remaining skeptical and not jumping to conclusions remains really important. Likewise, not just agreeing with someone because it fits our preconceived notions is pretty important, too.

2. The Russians have made more progress today. Still not as much as I would have expected, especially from the southern, seemingly relatively unopposed army units. However, still, 2nd day. Need to chill.

3. WTF is the Russian air force? The Ukrainians are still in the air. Even if the Russians are being careful to minimize casualties, they really ought to have swept the Ukrainians from the skies. That's absolutely not the case.

4. Lack of UAVs is really, really telling. The Georgians used them when they faced off with the RUssians and they were quite effective. One of the take aways from the conflict was the Russians needed to work on their own. That's the origin of the Orion and Ohotnik. The persistent and relatively cheap recon would have been a wildly useful. And, yet, as other users have pointed out, all we seem to see are crickets sounds when it comes to the buzzing of the drones.

5. The Russians still had not moved more than 1/2 the forces they had arrayed against the Ukrainians, probably 1/3. I get not committing everything at once, but...I can't help but feel discomfort with this. Overwhelming force has been a military axiom for a long time. With 3x the forces, they could have rolled up Kharkov and the Donbass much faster. yet, again, they have not. Then again, it is only end of day 2.

6. There are hints of some logistics issues for the Russians. They may be false hints, but it might explain why the Russians are not moving as fast as many expected. Then again, still, just 2nd day.

7. The Ukrainians are tenacious. They continue to do far better than what I would have ever thought. It doesn't mean they are not doomed.

8. There are also hints the Russians need to wrap this up. Not today, or even a week from now, but the world is starting to react and if the Americans and Western Europeans dump billions of dollars and Euros of weapons into Ukrainian hands, then with the tenacity of the Ukrainians, assuming they continue to snarl like a rosomakha in the face of medvedi, this could be a serious problem long term for the Russians.

Tomorrow will dawn soon in Kiev. Will Kiev fall? Will the Russians get their roll-up of Ukraine in 72 hours? Will they get it in a week? or...?

Let's see how far the Russians get.
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I’m still callin’ it! Grossly incompetent and ineffective!

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