Ukrainian War Developments

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Atomicfrog

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Guys could I make a question.
Sinking the cruiser flagship of the Black Sea fleet qualifies the Neptune Anti-Ship Missile to change from the status of prototype to combat proven because if not I don't know what should do ????
They had it, they used it. People where sleeping on their screen and let it pass like a hot knife in butter. It's why having huge ships that cost a lot make nice targets. Multiple small ships would have been better in that small sea.
 

pmc

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Attack two Russian ships? Must have been our mistake.
Execute Russian POWs on camera? No problem!
Cut Russian POWs balls off? Look how civilised we are! We treat Ukrainian POW so well!
Fire a missile into a railway station filled with Russian civilians? Watch this video that will prove the Ukrainians did it, not us!
Nazis running around Ukrainian held cities executing ethnic Russians and political opponents? See Ukrainians are the bad guys.

At what point does Putin finally realise that this is a war and not a "special military operation"?

I'll say it again. Russia's military credibility is gone after this war. If you can't pull the trigger, you may as well not have a gun. No one will be afraid of them, not even Lithuania. Every day that Ukraine survives is a blow to not only their military, but even their nuclear deterence.
The ship is old. some one may want to get rid to remove the expenses.
Did this ship fired any any missiles at Ukraine in past 50 days?
few days go they publish downing a drone but seem much smaller ship.
 

Maikeru

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Seems the crew of the Moskva took the Ukrainian instruction to "go f- yourself" literally! And now Moskva is taking part in a "special undersea operation".

I don't know which is more comical, Russia losing a flagship to a country without a navy, or its pathetic attempts at denial. Oh, it was a "fire" that caused an "ammunition explosion" was it? Pathetic.

When are posters on here going to admit to themselves that the Russians are a bunch of clowns who would be lucky to last 5 minutes in a fight against NATO?
 

Overbom

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They had it, they used it. People where sleeping on their screen and let it pass like a hot knife in butter. It's why having huge ships that cost a lot make nice targets. Multiple small ships would have been better in that small sea.
Yeah. Whenever something unexpecred happens I always lean towards human stupidity being the reason for it.

As you said, sleeping/playing around, probably thinking that they would never be targeted, thus they let their guard down and that's the end.

As always, training/discipline is the most important thing in a war. You can have the fanciest toys, but if you can't use them, they are useless.

Compare the cost of that ship (+ logistics/maintenance/training/crew/etc.) to the missile that mission killed it
 

Abominable

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China investing to built full cycle automobile plant in Russia. so i am not sure why he think China does not want to invest in Russia. Russia has very limited labor to absorb investments in manufacturing.
It took 10 years to russified Isreali drone with higher takeoff and strike capability. Russia has very extensive presence in Middleast so atleast it will have idea about Chinese drones performance. now they may have came to conclusion incremental improvement offered in Chinese drones are not worth investment in training and integration.

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What integration and training?

6 months before the war you "buy" two squadrons of WL-2 - I'm sure China would have loaned them for free. In the war they are operated by Chinese civilian operators, like Turks are operating Ukrainian TB-2s. Except as Ukrainian AD is largely suppressed they would be operating with impunity.
China gets real world experience of drone warfare, Russia gets free kills, even Ukrainian nazis get to go Valhalla. Everyone wins.

Russians are either too proud to use Chinese platforms or too dumb to recognise the importance of drones in modern warfare. Your own equivalent the Orion is not being deployed in numbers needed to make a difference.
 

Abominable

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The ship is old. some one may want to get rid to remove the expenses.
Did this ship fired any any missiles at Ukraine in past 50 days?
few days go they publish downing a drone but seem much smaller ship.
So you think the Russians faked this sinking? If the ammo store of a ship goes off, do you think that no one on the ship will die?

The attitude Russians have to the lives of their own soldiers and sailors is shocking.
 
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