Ukrainian War Developments

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pmc

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What integration and training?

6 months before the war you "buy" two squadrons of WL-2 - I'm sure China would have loaned them for free. In the war they are operated by Chinese civilian operators, like Turks are operating Ukrainian TB-2s. Except as Ukrainian AD is largely suppressed they would be operating with impunity.
China gets real world experience of drone warfare, Russia gets free kills, even Ukrainian nazis get to go Valhalla. Everyone wins.

Russians are either too proud to use Chinese platforms or too dumb to recognise the importance of drones in modern warfare. Your own equivalent the Orion is not being deployed in numbers needed to make a difference.
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As i said Russians have been using turbo prop drones in Syria for long time. so i am sure they know incremental value of drones that are better as it is Russian that training Irakis on Mi-28 choppers who also use drones.
absence of videos does not mean they are not using Orion drones extensively. when there is so much Nato radars. i dont think a turbo prop drone is surprize factor.
 
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As i said Russians have been using turbo prop drones in Syria for long time. so i am sure they know incremental value of drones that are better as it is Russian that training Irakis on Mi-28 choppers who also use drones.
absence of videos does not mean they are not using Orion drones extensively. when there is so much Nato radars. i dont think a turbo prop drone is surprize factor.
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Ah, so you're using the Ukrainian claim that TB-2s are operating fine, but we're just not releasing footage.

All drones have high failure rates so you can tell if they are operating by the numbers that are shot down or crash. Hence we've seen many Orlan-10s come down but only one Orion so far.
 
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So you think the Russians faked this sinking? If the ammo store of a ship goes off, do you think that no one on the ship will die?

The attitude Russians have to the lives of their own soldiers and sailors is shocking.
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i didnot say fake. there will be maintenance issues with systems or some one put it there to get rid of it.
they are advertising frigates for air defense and cruise missile launches on videos. and it is now 50 days into the war. they pretty much tested every conventional weopon. it does not make sense to part big ship in this close sea when modern S350 and S400 are on shores.
 
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Ah, so you're using the Ukrainian claim that TB-2s are operating fine, but we're just not releasing footage.

All drones have high failure rates so you can tell if they are operating by the numbers that are shot down or crash. Hence we've seen many Orlan-10s come down but only one Orion so far.
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i am saying Russian may not be bother by footage of Orion UCAV strikes as they have light payload. who want to see small boms when bigger one already flashy from bigger missiles.
Orlan-10 is old and cheap. not built with reliability standard of bigger drones.
 
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Bill Blazo

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There's been multiple points where I've thought now the Russians are going to start fighting properly. But instead nothing happens.

No use of strategic bombers.
Very little targeting of infrastructure in western Ukraine including roads, rail.
No targeting of supplies entering Ukraine, despite many threats to do so.
No targeting of power/utilities. They haven't even disconnected the nuclear power plant they control.
No attempts to target Ukrainian or western leadership whenever they pop up in Kiev.

All of the above would speed up the end of the war and reduce the number of Russian casulaties. Yet Putin is too chickenshit to do any of them. There is no shortage of Russian leaders who are prepared to do the above (and worse). So if he is incapable, he should step aside.
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They are targeting critical infrastructure all over Ukraine. Remember something important: we're not really seeing the full picture of everything the Russians are taking out because the Ukrainian government has made it illegal to publicize such information. For all we know, the Russians have already knocked out many of the targets you're talking about. Why would they disconnect the nuclear power plant? Has it occurred to you that it might also control the power supply for Russian-occupied areas in the south? I don't think the Russians are holding back as much as you believe. One area where I might agree: air power. I definitely think the Russians have much more they can throw at the Ukrainians from the air. We'll see now if they finally take all the gloves off.
 
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