Ukrainian War Developments

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BlackWindMnt

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Note how at the start, many Russians opposed the war. Thousands protested in Moscow and St. Petersburg.

Then Ukr forces had the awesome idea of torturing POWs on video, threatening them with mutilation, and interestingly also offering money for surrender (right after the videos threatening them). They thought this would deter Russians. Wow.

Soon after the protests stopped and people started wearing Z t-shirts and stickers on their cars.
I'm sure after having fought nazis in ww2 and isil in the middle east in the 2010s the Russians probably knew that this type of ultra far right militias can't stop creating propaganda or uploading war crime footage.

Maybe Russia got lucky by not disabling the internet or they planned this out.
 

yxgemini

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Are you crazy?? The whole Ukraine has to be rebuild after this war!

Or is the same valid in return? What would you say if "just to teach the Russians a lesson to those that killed Ukrainian POWs" and "Why not use those that had led to it being damaged?"

Honestly, we all can have a different opinion, and this whole thread is already more a battlefield of propaganda and blinded by politics than I was ever able to accept, but anything like this against human rights, against the Carta of the UN and the Geneva Convention is onyl proof for my first stance to close this thread!
Bear with me for about 150 words off topic. You will see it is right on the topic you started.

I am an old guy living in China. One thing I hate most here is the government using collective punishment on public speech channels. One video on U2b mocking Chinese leader, the next month you can’t access U2b. One tool on GitHub to bypass the Great Fire Wall, the next week you can’t access GitHub. One sensitive photo on a military forum (this is actually the kind of source that nourished SinoDefence), the next day the forum is down!

I can come up with only 2 possible reasons for such perversity. 1. Those people really suck at their job. They can’t deal/cope with a single offence, so they just pull a simple switch and kill everything related. 2. They do it with intention. They were waiting for an excuse to shut down the torrent of speech that they really fear/hate.

So, my dear administrator, either shut down this thread and prove SinoDefence is just another organization in kind, or stop threatening it, ban the users you deem unacceptable (actually I agree with you on quite a few of them), and leave the rest of us alone.
 

Zichan

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Richard Santos

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Just reminder, the reason of the WWII starvation in Europe is the lack of fertilizer, because they changed over the plants to TNT , and haven't got enought petrol to run the process.

The best part of the jewish in austwitz died due to malnutrition , and the biggest bottleneck in minig was the insuficient daily calories for miners.

To be fair, the Jews who died in Auschwitz due to malnutrition died because the Germans specifically planned to kill the jews of europe by malnutrition amongst other means while extracting the whatever labor and other valuables from them, not because the there wasn’t enough food to go around.

The difference is the Germans didn;t say if there isn’t enough food, then Jews starve first. They said kill the Jews even if the effort involved in killing Jews hamper the delivery of food to non-Jews.
 

memfisa

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If Russia shows weakness, Europe will stop rearming. Then we could save ourselves all this nonsense.

Russia showed weakness during the 1990's into the 2000's. What happened next is now written in the history books, if anyone is even allowed to read those anymore.

You don't show weakness to a group of states (rather political and corporate elites) who for all intents and purposes want to destroy you so they can dissect your nation and expropriate your resource wealth into the coffers of their oligarchs. What you can do is make it known that by your own death, everyone else gets to join you.

I'd say take it a step further and when those nations of vipers start building their viper pits all around your border, you better make sure your eyes are working or get some glasses so you can read the writing on the wall. You punish them, you strike these viper pits they build all around your home. After all they are building them with the sole intention of using them to destroy you in the future, they aren't building them to increase the prosperity of your own people. If this ignites WW3, well so be it, then humanity starts over, maybe, maybe not.

Anything short of this is showing weakness and brings us right back to the beginning of the problem we have today. All i can say is finally the Russians have drawn their line in the sand. If Putin had any balls at all, which he doesn't, Russian policy would be something like this.

These people understand violence, so give them violence.
 

KYli

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Washington's role in Russia-Ukraine conflict jeopardizes world stability​

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* Since late February, the United States has continued to add fuel to the fire by delivering lethal weapons to Ukraine, goading allies into cornering Russia, and imposing massive economic sanctions on Russia's institutions and enterprises.

* The United States, obsessive about political coercion and economic bullying, has sowed discord between Russia and European countries, and driven Russia and Ukraine into a corner of confrontation, causing geopolitical tensions and economic shocks that jeopardize world stability.

* All these moves run counter to global efforts to de-escalate the crisis and put world stability in peril.

BEIJING, April 7 (Xinhua) -- As the Russia-Ukraine conflict grinds on, picturing Washington's role in the chaos is less challenging than predicting an endgame of the crisis.

Since late February, the United States has continued to add fuel to the fire by delivering lethal weapons to Ukraine, goading allies into cornering Russia, and imposing massive economic sanctions on Russia's institutions and enterprises. All these moves run counter to global efforts to de-escalate the crisis and put world stability in peril.

No matter which side gains the upper hand in the crisis, "the United States is the winner," Chen Fengying, a researcher with the China Institutes of Contemporary International Relations, told Xinhua on Wednesday.

ANOTHER ROUND OF SANCTIONS

The United States on Wednesday imposed additional sanctions on Russia for its military operation in Ukraine, targeting Russia's major financial institutions and the two daughters of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

According to a factsheet from the White House detailing the measures, the United States will impose full blocking sanctions on Russia's largest financial institution, Sberbank, and the country's largest private bank, Alfa Bank, freezing any of the two banks' assets in the U.S. financial system and prohibiting Americans from doing business with them.

U.S. President Joe Biden will sign an executive order banning new investment in Russia by Americans no matter where they live, the factsheet said, adding the executive order aims to "ensure the enduring weakening of the Russian Federation's global competitiveness."

Since the conflict broke out in Ukraine, the United States has imposed rounds of sanctions on Russia, despite experts' warning that sanctions alone are inadequate to de-escalate the tensions and might even invite a nightmare scenario.

"The U.S. approach of imposing successive batches of sanctions complicates the situation," Ahmed Eliba, a researcher at Al-Ahram Center for Political and Strategic Studies, told Xinhua. "These sanctions also backfire on the Western side, which, I believe, pays a high cost."

Herman Tiu Laurel, founder of Philippine BRICS Strategic Studies, said, "For the U.S. allies in Europe, the sanctions punish them as much as predictable skyrocketing energy prices bedevil their economies now, and threaten even the very survival of the European economy."

"We should fully understand the causes and consequences of the Russia-Ukraine conflict. Will the sanctions against Russia solve the problem? Will the sanctions force Russia to withdraw their troops? The answers unfortunately are No. The sanctions will only deteriorate the world economy already weakened by the COVID-19 pandemic," Wichai Kinchong Choi, senior vice president of the leading Thai bank Kasikornbank, told Xinhua.

U.S. ROLE IN CRISIS

The root cause of the outbreak of the conflict, analysts have said, is the continuous eastward expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) led by the United States.

Putin had repeatedly warned NATO against deploying its troops and weapons to Ukraine, saying this represents a red line for Russia and would trigger a strong response.

Russia's concern that NATO is expanding to its borders has never been heeded by the United States, "which is only interested in maintaining its hegemonic status in Europe, and which has been steadily retreating from that collaborative policy which the West committed itself to after the Cold War," said William Jones, Washington bureau chief of the U.S. publication Executive Intelligence Review.

The tragedy in Ukraine "could have easily been avoided if the Biden Admin and NATO had simply acknowledged Russia's legitimate security concerns regarding Ukraine becoming a member of NATO," former U.S. Congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard tweeted.

In the past several weeks, U.S. politicians have flown back and forth across the Atlantic to instigate hostilities against Russia, while showing little interest in acknowledging the root cause of or brokering a political solution to the tragedy in Ukraine.

Immediately after the Russia-Ukraine conflict broke out, Biden announced that the United States would provide 350 million U.S. dollars in military aid to Ukraine. On March 16, Biden announced an additional 800 million dollars in security assistance to Ukraine.

Pentagon Press Secretary John Kirby said on Wednesday that the United States has already sent 100 killer drones called Switchblade to Ukraine. U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken also said on Wednesday that his country and its allies have provided Ukraine with 10 anti-tank systems for every single Russian tank.

John Pang, a senior fellow at New York-based Bard College, said U.S. sanctions "worsen the situation," adding that "they possibly prolong the conflict because of suffering in Russia, but also in Europe and around the world. They will bring the global economy into, very likely, a recession in which millions of innocent people will suffer."

"If you put this together with the fact that ... NATO and the U.S. continue to arm Ukraine, the actual effect will be to prolong the conflict, not to end it," Pang told Xinhua on Wednesday.

Mick Wallace, a member of the European Parliament, has doubted the effectiveness of sanctions against Russia, saying that sanctions could only affect ordinary people.

"Sanctions are a form of war, and often the consequences are shocking," Wallace said in a video released on his social media platform on Wednesday. "500,000 children died in Iraq because of sanctions. 40,000 people died in Venezuela in recent years because of illegal U.S. sanctions. Tens of thousands have died in Syria because of U.S. and European sanctions. What are the sanctions that you have on Russia going to do?"

WORLD STABILITY IN DANGER

The United States, obsessive about political coercion and economic bullying, has sowed discord between Russia and European countries, and driven Russia and Ukraine into a corner of confrontation, causing geopolitical tensions and economic shocks that jeopardize world stability.

The country, unconfident and insecure, still wants to maintain hegemony in the international system or a dominant position in the global economy, thus attempting to suppress countries that it thinks could threaten and challenge it, said Zhao Suisheng, a professor at Josef Korbel School of International Studies, University of Denver.

The current disruptions in energy, metals and food markets caused by the month-long conflict in Ukraine are "broad and savage," The Economist magazine reported in mid-March, warning that a retreat to Cold-War spheres of influence or self-sufficiency would be "a mistake" and the costs would be "vast."

Renowned American linguist and foreign policy critic Noam Chomsky said, "We're approaching the most dangerous point in human history ... We are now facing the prospect of destruction of organised human life on Earth."

"What we do know is that Ukraine will be further devastated. And we may move on to terminal nuclear war if we do not pursue the opportunities that exist for a negotiated settlement," Chomsky was quoted by The New Statesman magazine as saying on Wednesday.

"Virtually any additional steps -- reducing imports of oil and gas, banning a wider range of exports, or telling European firms to withdraw from Russia -- would entail an economic cost for Europe," Jean Pisani-Ferry, a senior fellow at Brussels-based economic think tank Bruegel, said in an article published by Project Syndicate in late March.

"Today's uncertainty understandably makes European policymakers nervous," Pisani-Ferry said, adding that the economic conflict "is entering a hazardous new phase. The risk of failing is too big to be taken." (Video reporters: Kang Wenjun, He Fei, Roberto Ferranti, Liu Zongya, Yu Shuaishuai, Liu Yanan, Zhang Mocheng, Sun Ding, Hu Yousong, Deng Xianlai; video editors: Hong Liang, Zhang Yuhong)■
 

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To be fair, the Jews who died in Auschwitz due to malnutrition died because the Germans specifically planned to kill the jews of europe by malnutrition amongst other means while extracting the whatever labor and other valuables from them, not because the there wasn’t enough food to go around.

The difference is the Germans didn;t say if there isn’t enough food, then Jews starve first. They said kill the Jews even if the effort involved in killing Jews hamper the delivery of food to non-Jews.

Just for clarifiation :
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Calories per person per day typically averaged at 1300 calories. The modern day recommendation is 2500 calories per day for men and 2000 calories per day for women.

In October 1942, Himmler ordered that prisoners be able to receive packages from outside. This was a tactical move, aiming to reduce the number of prisoner deaths so that they could be exploited to work for longer. In some camps, food could then be sent in by family members or organisations such as the Red Cross.

For many, this move was a lifeline. However, a majority of prisoners remained unaffected by the change, as the packages from institutions such as the Red Cross were not equal to the number of prisoners, and many prisoners families were also imprisoned and therefore could not send parcels.

In 1944, with the
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, the rations for camp inmates were cut again. Some inmates now received as little as 700 calories per day, forcing them quickly into starvation.

In the occupied germany the average daily ratio was 1000 calories, because of the failure of the USA to plan ahead:
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The Allied planners underestimated the extent of the damage to German infrastructure, and overestimated the ability of Germans to grow their own food. As a result, once supplies which had been stockpiled by the German government during the war ran out, the ration scales were reduced to 4,200–5,200 kJ (1,000–1,250 kcal) per day
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The German food situation became worst during the very cold winter of 1946–47, when German food energy intake ranged from 4,200 to 6,300 kJ (1,000 to 1,500 kcal) per day, a situation made worse by severe lack of fuel for heating.
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Average adult
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intake in the U.S was 13,000–14,000 kJ (3,200–3,300 kcal), in the UK 12,000 kJ (2,900 kcal) and in the U.S. Army 17,000 kJ (4,000 kcal).
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I don't want to dug deeper to find the calorie table of the WWII Germany, but the problem is if a person doing heavy work or fighting 8-12 hours then it is easy to get to the 4000 calories range.

The Jewish in Oświęcim received around / less than 1000 calories, and they had to work in factories/mines.

There is a coal liquefication plant (ruins) not far away from the camp.

If a soldier doesn't get 4000 calories / day then he won't be bale to fight.
 
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