Ukrainian War Developments

Nobaru said:

I dont blame Talibans & ISIS either for their desire to get their hands on your people.

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"I dont blame Talibans & ISIS either for their desire to get their hands on your people."

Who, exactly, do you imagine are 'my people'?
Be specific, not evasive. Aim for more accuracy in your ad hominem attacks.

Bill Blazo said:

Yes, because I think GDP is inherently meaningless. The economic strength of the two should be compared on biophysical markers, such as energy consumption, military size, population, etc. It's obvious NATO as a whole has a huge advantage in virtually every area. But I doubt that a war between NATO and Russia wouldn't pull in other players. I would fully expect China to attack in East Asia and roll the board, in which case the Europeans would fight the Russians largely on their own. And I don't like the odds of the Europeans, largely because I'm not making the same inductive fallacy that a lot of people are making here. So because Russia did badly in Ukraine, it would do badly if it fought against NATO; truth is no one knows what that war would look like, nor when it would happen. If it happens 10 years from now, Russia's military will be much stronger than it is today.

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A Russia-NATO war will certainly be nuclear and uses a lot of strategic weapons, which is certainly Russia's forte, this I agree.

However, if you understood my point, you will know that my comparison was about how it would appear to regular Ukrainians, as which side would they choose to join for their desires/goals.

As you see, NATO/EU vs Russia/CSTO choice I was talking about was NOT purely about military. It was about how people perceive as a better future for their country. NATO/EU route certainly have real problems, but at least to the Ukrainians, this appeared to be a better option than joining Russia/CSTO. Ukrainians certainly believe that their country would see less corruption, more economic growth, more security, and less defense spending burden, if they join EU/NATO, as opposed to Russia/CSTO.

As for whether Ukrainian perception is true/correct or not, that was NOT what I tried to convey.

Lapin said:

"I dont blame Talibans & ISIS either for their desire to get their hands on your people."

Who, exactly, do you imagine are 'my people'?

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I don't do imaginary role play.

Nobaru said:

I don't do imaginary role play.

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Your cowardly evasion of my question is noted.

Why, in your invincible ignorance, do you fantasize that I must be not only American but also a supporter of US imperialism?
Have you ever seen any of my passports?

The popular fanatical national chauvinism and racism in this forum seem beyond description.
I regard you--whatever your nationality or cherished tribe--with absolute disdain.

siegecrossbow said:

This is why you should never break up your own country.

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Absolutely. Even in humanitarian considerations. If I am being generous, I can only say those Soviet leaders did not understand the history like the Chinese dynastic cycles. The middle kingdom was only broken by external forces, not the ruling class. The soviet should have never let go those small states with significant Russian speakers or deep Russian heritage, such the Baltic states and Ukraine.

Nobaru said:

I dont blame Talibans & ISIS either for their desire to get their hands on your people.

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Would not you and all your strutting 'might makes right' comrades condemn a Ukrainian girl for daring to fight back
against a Russian soldier who's raping her? Would you not urge her 'to relax and enjoy' being taken by force?

You 'might makes right' men have made clear where your sympathies lie, certainly not with the victims of rape.

Nobaru said:

World's most cowardly nation in history is talking about "cowardly invasion" of question(!!)? That's touché. Sounds like another world out of amrikan dictionary like "cultural jaanoociide"

I don't need to. And i don't give a f--k.
Your sacred commitment of article 5 states "an attack on one of you is an attack on all of you".
Here is my sacred vow -- An attack by one of you, is an attack by all of you.


You p--rnhubbers & naughty amerikans have not earned the right to pronounce my country's name with your mouth.

It's Bangladesh.
But you will address us as -- The B.Dad.

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You are busy hurling more personal insults because you chose to attack 'my people' rather than discuss any issues.
You do NOT have a clue about who 'my people' supposedly are or, more importantly, what I may think of them.

I could not care less about your claimed nationality. You are morally despicable regardless of your tribe.

Lapin said:

You are busy hurling more personal insults because you chose to attack 'my people' rather than discuss any issues.
You do NOT have a clue about who 'my people' supposedly are or, more importantly, what I may think of them.

I could not care less about your claimed nationality. You are morally despicable regardless of your tribe.

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Okey, who are "your people", and what do you think of them? I'd love hear about it.

Lapin said:

You are busy hurling more personal insults because you chose to attack 'my people' rather than discuss any issues.

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I am free to do anything i want to do.

Lapin said:

You do NOT have a clue about who 'my people' supposedly are or, more importantly, what I may think of them.

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Come on lappy. Entire world knows about your people, they can literally count the hair up your people's butt by searching American national website - p-rn hub. com

Lapin said:

I could not care less about your claimed nationality. You are morally despicable regardless of your tribe.

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I am very hurt. Should i join Brazzy network to learn so of those morals your nation is built upon?

We want native america clean & tip top, not a single trace of dirt.
Or we will sanitize it from both sides, upside down & side way.

Over & out.

O my