Ukrainian War Developments

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Weaasel

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Over 250 Ukrainian troops surrendered today in Mariupol, making this one of the single biggest cases of surrender in the entire war (if not the biggest). The hallmark of a winning war effort is lots of captured enemy soldiers. Finally the Russians bagged a big prize.

There are many people who are denying that they are Marines or even Ukrainian forces or militia of any kind, citing that one of them is wearing sneakers and that they are not wearing blue arm bands.

There are several plausible reasons as to why they are probably indeed fighters of Ukraine. The Ukrainians are under siege. They are not getting any additional supplies of food, ammo, and other equipment. They could decide to remove their clear identification insignia of any kinds. The one wearing sneakers might have have had his boots damaged and the Ukrainians are not able to resupply him with military boots, as such he would have been allowed to wear personal boots.
 

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Not sure taking over a downstream business would do any goods to German energy security.
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FRANKFURT, April 4 (Reuters) - Gazprom Germania, an energy trading, storage and transmission business ditched by Russia's Gazprom
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on Friday, will be transferred to Germany's regulator to ensure energy security, Economy Minister Robert Habeck said on Monday.

All voting rights in the company will be moved to the regulator, the Bundesnetzagentur, Habeck told a news conference. The move was immediately put into effect by publication in the Federal Gazette.

"The order of the trust administration serves to protect public security and order and to maintain the security of supply," Habeck said. "This step is mandatory."

Habeck added that security of supply was currently guaranteed at a time of crisis in energy ties between Germany and Russia in the wake of Russia's Feb. 24 invasion of Ukraine.

The Bundesnetzagentur will be take over control up to Sept. 30, 2022. It will be entitled to remove executives, hire new staff and ask management how to proceed.

"Our goal will be to run Gazprom Germania in the interests of Germany and Europe," Klaus Mueller, head of the Bundesnetzagentur, said in a statement.

The Economy Ministry said the move was to stave off possible acquisition of Gazprom Germania by JSC Palmary and Gazprom export business services LLC, both of Russia.

It was unclear who was behind the companies, the ministry said, implying that an acquisition was legally not permissible, given the investors were from outside the EU and about to operate critical infrastructure.

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This makes me think that Germany is about to cut off gas imports from Russia.
 

Zichan

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General Keane explaining that committing war crimes is the Russian way of war, even going as far as buttressing his argument with how cruel they were to the Germans in WW2.

Incinerating a 100,000 Japanese in one night with cluster napalm bombs must have been according to regulations of lawful warfare as he doesn't seem to think the same of the US way of war? The single deadliest air raid of WW2:
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Or the fire bombing of North Korea with the same terrible napalm weapons razing to the ground virtually all towns in the country in total disregard of civilian casualties?

 
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Whatever tricks the Russians might pull in the east, I won't like Russia's chance in this war until I see strategic bombing of all the Dnieper bridges. Of course not including the ones currently in Russian hands (mostly in Kherson).
Bridges are perfect targets. They are limited in numbers over a river as big as the Dnieper. They are not going anywhere. they are easy to take aim at, extremely hard to repair, impossible to defend with Ukr air-defence firepower.
There might be reasons not to do it before April. Now there is no hope for western Ukraine in the forseeable future, and the illusion of "brotherly war" is in the ditch, why not?
As unimpressive as the Russian air force looks in this war, I don't believe they are incapable of destroying immobile things bigger than street blocks. The only technological problem is the riverdam pathways, quite hard to be destroyed without endangering the whole dam. In that case the problem turns into ethical. But those dam-top pathways do not carry railways thus are not so vital, and can be damaged at the ends to cause blockage instead of collapse.
Once the bridges are out, forget about heavy equipment or large troops reinforcement from west to east. Foreign materiel aid would be essentially neutualized. Fuel, ammo and scattered personnel may slip through by ferries, but in what pathetic amount?
Last, only such a massive, deliberate and vicious attack on civilian infrastructure would convince me that Russia seriously wants to win. In fact it would kill a lot less than any other kind of strategic bombing, thanks to Dnieper the perfect natural barrier.
You want the east Ukraine, you set the east to fight alone.
 

sheogorath

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That this wasn't an isolated incident was demonstrated in the Korean War, when the US employed the same terrible napalm weapons razing to ground virtually all towns in North Korea in total disregard of civilian casualties.

Didn't the US kill like 20% of North Korea's population?

Then they whine when US soldiers are depicted as savages in North Korean art.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Whatever tricks the Russians might pull in the east, I won't like Russia's chance in this war until I see strategic bombing of all the Dnieper bridges. Of course not including the ones currently in Russian hands (mostly in Kherson).
Bridges are perfect targets. They are limited in numbers over a river as big as the Dnieper. They are not going anywhere. they are easy to take aim at, extremely hard to repair, impossible to defend with Ukr air-defence firepower.
There might be reasons not to do it before April. Now there is no hope for western Ukraine in the forseeable future, and the illusion of "brotherly war" is in the ditch, why not?
As unimpressive as the Russian air force looks in this war, I don't believe they are incapable of destroying immobile things bigger than street blocks. The only technological problem is the riverdam pathways, quite hard to be destroyed without endangering the whole dam. In that case the problem turns into ethical. But those dam-top pathways do not carry railways thus are not so vital, and can be damaged at the ends to cause blockage instead of collapse.
Once the bridges are out, forget about heavy equipment or large troops reinforcement from west to east. Foreign materiel aid would be essentially neutualized. Fuel, ammo and scattered personnel may slip through by ferries, but in what pathetic amount?
Last, only such a massive, deliberate and vicious attack on civilian infrastructure would convince me that Russia seriously wants to win. In fact it would kill a lot less than any other kind of strategic bombing, thanks to Dnieper the perfect natural barrier.
You want the east Ukraine, you set the east to fight alone.
Agreed..if Ukrainians did not destroy the Dnieper bridges then they should be destroyed now.
 

gelgoog

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Not sure taking over a downstream business would do any goods to German energy security.
Having more gas storage facilities will be of little use without gas to fill them with. This is retarded beyond measure.

If the Germans nationalize Gazprom Germania then Russia might retaliate by nationalizing Unipro.
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Unipro is 83.73% owned by German company Uniper.

There are many people who are denying that they are Marines or even Ukrainian forces or militia of any kind, citing that one of them is wearing sneakers and that they are not wearing blue arm bands.
Uh right. I am sure those guys encircled there for many days have proper supply and everything. Not.

There are several plausible reasons as to why they are probably indeed fighters of Ukraine. The Ukrainians are under siege. They are not getting any additional supplies of food, ammo, and other equipment. They could decide to remove their clear identification insignia of any kinds. The one wearing sneakers might have have had his boots damaged and the Ukrainians are not able to resupply him with military boots, as such he would have been allowed to wear personal boots.
Yep. Their uniforms look Ukrainian to me.

This makes me think that Germany is about to cut off gas imports from Russia.
The only way to do that would be to shutdown their industry. Basically.
 
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