Ukrainian War Developments

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Surpluswarrior

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Thank you. There's a reason why I addressed PAK-DA and Lider in particular: they're huge money sinks that can't be exported to recoup cost and there's questionable return on investment.

Yeah, of all those, the PAK-DA seems the most like a prestige project. They have plenty of functional bombers. But their air force requires some kind of next-generation platform to focus on. If they have enough guided weapons, then PAK-DA makes sense. Hard to assess in the context of the current conflict, where strategic bombers are mostly in the background.

But Russia has expended more PGMs than expected in the present conflict, stocks were greater than some estimates. So PAK-DA could be a reasonable platform starting in the 2025-2030 period.

I am not sure what Lider adds to current doctrine, but they have sent several flotillas around the world right now, haven't they? A DDGN is useful in that context. If shipping lanes become more contested as a result of trade wars, long-range high-endurance surface combatants could be very useful. In the emerging economic war, maybe Lider makes more sense than it used to. May have been the idea all along.

I agree that economics is behind all of this. There has been funding shortfalls across the board. In my view, Russia in general has been hurt by economic policies that mitigated against import substitution. This situation has been changing since 2008/2014, and the changes are accelerating. As Russian strives for economic sovereignty, it may be able to reverse these funding shortfalls, which have indeed affected the present campaign. The economics have really been a driving force underlying it all, and the changes will mount.

Russia's willingness to buy LHD from France really bit them. China would have been a better bet, and still could be, as you say. The satellite constellation cooperation will probably happen. I think you're right as to what they could work together on. They could do it better than Europe.
 

Richard Santos

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No, I meant using low yield weapons against Ukraine. A nuclear exchange on the other hand would mean the end of humanity, yes.
it won’t be the end of humanity. most of humanity won’t be directly impacted on a nuclear exchange involving US, UK, EU, and Russia. It will destroy the majority of existing source of global financial, economic and institutional power, The result will be decades, if not a century or two of turbulence in which more nuclear wars on smaller scale will probably happen before a more definitive long term world structure shakes out.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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Wasn't Pak-Da a tactical/strategic bomber, not necessarily a CAS like Su-34 or Su-25? It doesn't make any sense to fly as low as those fighters if you are a bomber
from my understanding, flight altitude is determined by munition type and mission profile. if you drop dumb bombs, you should fly lower for accuracy. alternatively, if you are hitting a highly defended target, flying low reduces the radar horizon (actual munition won't be dumb bomb). So until the PGM stockpile problem is solved, PAK-DA will just be a hangar queen like their Tu 22/95/160s are right now. I'll admit I'm wrong when I see some carpet bombing.
 
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