Ukrainian War Developments

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asif iqbal

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I don’t know what are you trying to prove? So Manpad, Stinger is better than most of 3rd gen Tanks, 4th Gen planes. Who needs all those tanks, ships, airplanes ? Ukraine is winning, while Russia losing. All you need is couple of Drones, Manpad, Stinger and even pakistan might be able to defeat India/USA.

correct in a guerrilla warfare just like Hezbollah did Israel in 2006
 

GodRektsNoobs

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This war is quite something, I'd have to tell ya. At zero hour, everyone thought it would be like the Gulf War. A week in, it resembled WWII. And now a month in, it's starting to look like WWI. Time truly flew backwards this time around.

On a seperate note, didn't US provide real time intel to India during 2020 stand-off? Didn't seem to really give India much advantage at all. Why did it matter so much this time around?
 

sheogorath

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The Copium Zone has decided to go ham with the war crimes claim on Bucha. But it seems they don't trust the info too much as the article isn't penned by any of the usual suspects but by a weekend editor with just 5 articles to his name in the site, all since March, and who mostly talks about...sports on twitter....

And applies the Nathan Russer method of satellite image (mis)identification

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And to think I believe this dude had integrity and was smart


But anglos gotta anglo.
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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I feel sad for Russia tbh. They could literally have a small but first rate military if they just gave up the pride and idiotic wet dream domestic development projects and imported from China, in exchange for resources. Even if they bought only like a few 052DL and like 1 055 they'd still have the best navy in Europe. And again, only purchasing a few J-20s would at least give their air force an actual stealth fighter to continue maintaining at least a minimum ability to compete with European ones. Instead of this sad situation where the only thing they can rely on for deterrence is tactical nukes. Instead they're like, no we're gonna make the Lider class even though we can only afford to buy like half a ship by the time r&d finishes in 2032 (optimistically), etc. etc. Sigh.
90% agreed. I mean they should 100% keep developing new domestic weapons but they need to scale back. For example their Admiral class frigates (Gorshkov and Grigorovich) and subs (Borei, Yasen, Lada) are very successful, being built on time, on budget, and at least frigates are being used in Ukraine. But Lider is vaporware right now. If they could scale back their ambitions, focusing their domestic development in their strengths, and purchase what they can't make from China, it'd be 100% better than trying everything solo with a ~2 trillion GDP.

If I were Russian high command I'd discontinue Lider R&D, scrap or sell the Kuznetzov and when it comes time, retire the Slavas and Kirovs within 5 years and stick to a frigate/sub navy for bastion defense. I'd import 075 LHDs to aid in that and put Russian helicopters on them. For air I'd cancel PAK-DA, keep PAK-FA at low procurement rates, and buy into J-35. Make sure that existing Tu-22/95/160 are usable and flyable rather than wasting money on pie in the sky projects. For ground forces, the T-14 has been an abysmal failure despite specs while low key Krasnopol and Ka-52 are MVPs. Allocate funding accordingly.

Basically stick to the strengths, and prioritize the most important stuff.
 

gadgetcool5

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This war is quite something, I'd have to tell ya. At zero hour, everyone thought it would be like the Gulf War. A week in, it resembled WWII. And now a month in, it's starting to look like WWI. Time truly flew backwards this time around.

On a seperate note, didn't US provide real time intel to India during 2020 stand-off? Didn't seem to really give India much advantage at all. Why did it matter so much this time around?
If this was WW1, the 2020 standoff was like a battle between the Cro Magnons and Neaderthals, given that it was literally fought with sticks and stones. (And thank goodness for that agreement, as it undoubtedly saved many lives). Not sure what value US satellite intelligence would've provided in that case.

But yeah, this war has shown that Russian logistics, intelligence, satellites and command & control is far inferior to the Americans, and that US training, intelligence, and hardware support even without direct intervention is extremely powerful.
 

pmc

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Even if the Ukraine's economy is degraded, that doesn't give Russia the win. The Ukrainian state is currently being propped up by America, and they can continue supplying funding, food and other necessities to keep things running. Even if the civilian government collapses, they can continue communicating and coordinating with the Ukrainian army independently.

Furthermore, most of the damage Russia has done has been in the east in areas Russia will likely be occupying. Or against targeted military facilities. Cities like Kiev, Lvov are largely untouched. If the Russian goal was to destroy Ukraine economically, you haven't achieved that yet.
once Turks and Israelis leaves. import depended cities cannot be sustained. it is just tall buildings with no one to pay utilities.
 

pmc

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If I were Russian high command I'd discontinue Lider R&D, scrap or sell the Kuznetzov and when it comes time, retire the Slavas and Kirovs within 5 years and stick to a frigate/sub navy for bastion defense. I'd import 075 LHDs to aid in that and put Russian helicopters on them. For air I'd cancel PAK-DA, keep PAK-FA at low procurement rates, and buy into J-35. Make sure that existing Tu-22/95/160 are usable and flyable rather than wasting money on pie in the sky projects. For ground forces, the T-14 has been an abysmal failure despite specs while low key Krasnopol and Ka-52 are MVPs. Allocate funding accordingly.

Basically stick to the strengths, and prioritize the most important stuff.
It takes long time to certify military product on Russian standards now. thats why you see slow procurement of new systems.
Russia is both budget and current account surplus. it has no complusion of reducing R&D on new projects.
Even the small Su-75 is designed for 2900km range on internal fuel
The S-70 is like over 4000km combat radius.
I am not sure about PAK-DA role but the current speed of missiles they are developing. it is reasonable to assume that light weight UCAV airframe will not able to carry much.

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Prietocol

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Pasarán algunos años para que Rusia solo reemplace el equipo que ha perdido hasta ahora...

Well better for them because it is clear that much of their equipment is obsolete such as armor, better to leave those t72/80/90 behind and focus on producing better protected vehicles and active defenses, Also what happened to the Russian infantry that terrorized the Nazis, now if they don't go in armored vehicles or trucks they don't want to walk anymore!! Walking into the woods and outflanking the enemy, but now it seems they don't want to get their boots dirty and want the comfort of pavement and roads without getting off anything with wheels or chains
 
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