Ukrainian War Developments

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Abominable

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where you evidence that ukraine is not collapse state?. It is just Russia does not have manpower to manage it yet.
As i said foreigners have moved out. there is not much fuel storage or factory production as i said this multi-axis format went after land. that decrease farm production. even new arms whether ATGM or SAMs needs to be imported. there was never reserve to even fight for a month.
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Even if the Ukraine's economy is degraded, that doesn't give Russia the win. The Ukrainian state is currently being propped up by America, and they can continue supplying funding, food and other necessities to keep things running. Even if the civilian government collapses, they can continue communicating and coordinating with the Ukrainian army independently.

Furthermore, most of the damage Russia has done has been in the east in areas Russia will likely be occupying. Or against targeted military facilities. Cities like Kiev, Lvov are largely untouched. If the Russian goal was to destroy Ukraine economically, you haven't achieved that yet.
 

GodRektsNoobs

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And they have the advantage of real time GTI and SAR radar coverage of the theatre, courtesy of NATO.
And somehow Russia doesn't, because apparently they parked their entire inventory of Tu-214R in Syria and only deployed a couple of A-50s in Belarus. Why? And most importantly, why did they not change this even a month into this war?
 

meckhardt98

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There is nothing here fancy that you can pull - Orc's war crimes have been very well documented over the past 8 years let alone since the military operation started. So far I haven't seen any war crimes committed by Russian soldiers since they have very clear Rules of Engagements as well as how to treat POWs!
If they have done so extensively why is it almost exclusively Ukro-Fascist's war crimes presented as if Russians have done it? Strela-10M driving over a civilian car in center of Kiev that was immediately reported as russian. What about the BMP-2 shooting up civilian car which lacks Z markings? What about the Orc's S-300 missile that malfunctioned and hit a residential building? Immediately the western mass propaganda have said "Putin's missile kill civilians"

If Russian's so massively commit war crimes like they lose tanks, jets, helicopters then the Orcs would not need to pose their own atrocities and loses of military vehicles as russian. :D

You did not point anything so far but have made claims with strict Orc propaganda sources. I am still waiting for the factual provable or proven atrocities of russians. Wasching Maschines and actors playing dead are certainly not convincing enough. We have very strict RoE which showed professionalism unseen to any war historian today for entire humanity! Where your enemy values the lives of your citizens more than your president or its military!

At this point you’re either trolling or delusional, clearly you are not thinking rationally.
 

Overbom

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This limited scale war is good combat training for Russian military.
Thats what got them in this mess.

People should understand 1 thing very clearly:
Wars are a serious thing and should be treated as a life-or-death matter. Russia and everyone else should stop with this wrong thinking of "limited scale" war.

Russia should had thrown everything at Ukraine, bar nuclear weapons, from day 1. If they had done this, they would not have been in this mess today.

Read some Sun Tzu and understand what war really means. Its a "I live, you die" matter. The more Putin believes in "limited"/"brother"/etc war delusions the more Russia will suffer.

Posting for the 10th time:
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MortyandRick

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Trolling - anyone who disagrees or challanges you?

That is your response for asking you - the guy that claimed russian atrocities and war crimes are extensive?

Post the extensive russian war crimes or stfu
War crimes are inevitable in war. And I am all against these heinous crimes.

But when MSM or the west talks about war crimes against Russia only in this instance it just smacks hypocrisy since their war crimes in Afghanistan and the ME were blocked form being investigated.

Until we can trial US troops for war crimes, their complaints of war crimes against others would just be hypocritical.
 

Black Shark

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War crimes are inevitable in war. And I am all against these heinous crimes.

But when MSM or the west talks about war crimes in this instance it just smacks hypocrisy since their war crimes in Afghanistan and the ME were blocked form being investigated.

Until we can trial US troops for war crimes, their complaints of war crimes against others would just be hypocritical.
Nobody who follows politics objectively gives a frying pan about what the West or what den Hague has to say, both have shown to the world that they are irrelevant and who can call the shots and who can not. It is about certain members on forums like this with claims that they can not support.
 

Weaasel

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In the Gulf War, the 110,000 strong American Army's VII Corps packing 4 armoured divisions (20,000 men each) was tasked to outflank the Iraqi defences in Kuwait and trap the Republican Guard. The forecast was that they would take 20,000 casualties in the first 5 days of war. They proceeded exceedingly cautiously. Their commander Lt.Gen Frederick Franks even asked for 500,000 hand grenades and 35,000 TOW missiles expecting a melee! The US brought in 220,000 120mm tank rounds to the theatre.

The spearhead of the VII Corps, the 2nd Armoured Cavalry Regiment, 4,200 men strong with 126 M1A1 tanks, 155 Bradley IFVs, 24 155mm self propelled artillery and 50 recon and attack helicopters was expected to easily cover the 120 miles of desert between the Saudi Border and the Republican Guard in 10 hours. Well, that didn't happen. The VII Corps commander was obsessed with synchronising the advance and was terrified of the thought that the US forces might encounter the Iraqis on an empty gas tank so he ordered frequent juice up stops. Each night the entire VII Corps would stop to regain command and control. It took them two days to engage the enemy!

During this gruellingly slow advance, JSTAR ground moving target indicator radar was used to micromanage the 2nd ACR spearhead's advance. However on the day of the engagement, a sand storm degraded the ability of JSTAR to track their movement and GPS was their only means of determining their position. At each successive halt the vehicles would report their front line positions. Because of the storm, no air support to the ground units was possible.

Eventually, the 2nd ACR made contact with the enemy and their training kicked in. They dashed at 25 mph through the Iraqi long range artillery barrage taking out Iraqi scouts, never stopping in their advance. Thanks to the sandstorm, the US forces were ideally situated to take advantage of their thermal sights which could see through the sand and smoke. Firing on the move at high speed, less than half of one squadron, no more than 500 men strong with 19 Abrams tanks and 27 Bradleys, scores of M113s and 12 M109s annihilated an entire Republican Guard 2,500 men strong brigade with 70 T-72 tanks and 70 AFVs, including 32 bunkers of their entrenched positions. 24 hours later, the war was over.

The cost of the slow advance and fear of casualties was that a large portion of the Republican Guard escaped, living to fight another day.
Desert environment vs forested environment.

Entrenched bunkers and armoured vehicles vs predominantly mobile light infantry, light armour and light artillery

Expecting that the units would fight vs expecting that there would be capitulation
 
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