Ukrainian War Developments
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We will say the same things than before, if the separatist side bomb themselves, so do the Ukrainian side, lol.
They will cry a lot when the US will show the price of gaz that they will sell to them.
I will say now that assuming a full scale invasion does happen, it will end up very ugly for both Russian and Ukraine. Russia will become economically isolated from Europe and dependent on China and India for trading. In the short term, the energy prices are going sky high.
Ukraine is a pretty large country geographically speaking. It's not that easy for Russia to just take over. Russia will make some initial in-road, but I see them getting bogged down in a quagmire pretty quickly as Ukraine continues to get weapon support from the West. I'm also not sure Russia's defense industry will be capable of producing all the hardwares they need here. I would not be surprised if they end up buying weapons from China. And more importantly for this forum, I think funding will be directed away from new development project like Su-57 and such. If the Global war on terror caused America to stop F-22 program early and step up with super hornet procurement (instead of getting more F-35C), a full scale war that last for a couple of years will really drain Russian resources from other projects.
Ukraine is a pretty large country geographically speaking. It's not that easy for Russia to just take over. Russia will make some initial in-road, but I see them getting bogged down in a quagmire pretty quickly as Ukraine continues to get weapon support from the West. I'm also not sure Russia's defense industry will be capable of producing all the hardwares they need here. I would not be surprised if they end up buying weapons from China. And more importantly for this forum, I think funding will be directed away from new development project like Su-57 and such. If the Global war on terror caused America to stop F-22 program early and step up with super hornet procurement (instead of getting more F-35C), a full scale war that last for a couple of years will really drain Russian resources from other projects.
Strange. I, a person living in Northeastern China, have never heard about people in my region insisting the central government need to start a nuclear war for the retaking of eastern Russia. Find me a northeastern people on the internet hoping the government to retake eastern Russia, I can find you 5 non-northeastern people moaning on the internet about the lost land of the great empire, particularly the Han chauvinists who don't have any regard for the wellfare of the people, especially the people who will be actually impacted in a war of territorial dispute.
Also interesting that you mingle the rather reactionary claims of Northeastern China being the eldest son of the republic and have contributed greatly to the country with starting a nuclear war for territory, when in reality, either in real life or on the internet, I have never heard people link those things together even in the heat of the debate. I would also say the reactionary claim of northeastern China contributed greatly to the country is rather justified when ,on the other side is some bigots shitting on northeastern China for not progressing fast enough economically when it wasn't even designed and supported by the country to make fast advancement after the reform and opening up era. The bigots' unhinged disdain for northeastern China spreads so far-reaching to the extent that everything done by Northeastern China is hyper-analyzed through the lens of incompetence, even the Shenyang Aircraft Corporation is targeted for their alleged incompetence and bureaucracy, all based off of rumors from some losers' imagination.
As for the topic of transfer payment, in 2019, only 9 provinces have positive net transfer payment, Liaoning province is one of them, and it has been one of them for 70 years. Heilongjiang and Jilin provinces were only starting to have net negative transfer payment in the most recent 10 years. So much for "Northeastern rentier class" "insist" "the rest of China owes them hundreds of billions of RMB in transfer payment". You got 17 more provinces to shit on other than 2 of the 3 provinces in Northeastern China.
So with the dust settled for now, all that's really happened is that Putin has recognised LPR and DPR. Russian soldiers were already in the region (just ask Ukraine) so the peacekeeping force isn't that different.
Because of this, America tells Germany to cancel Nordstream 2.
Great, so now everyone in western Europe faces even higher bills for energy just to please some eastern European nazis.
Because of this, America tells Germany to cancel Nordstream 2.
Great, so now everyone in western Europe faces even higher bills for energy just to please some eastern European nazis.
They can keep underestimating at their own peril. It only gives China more time to bide their time and grow even stronger. Even today I would not place bets on the US in open conflict near Chinese shores. When CV-003 goes fully operational or, better yet, CV-004, the balance of power will be shifted to China even further with the US losing any hopes in conventional conflict over Taiwan and after China finishes upgrading their nuclear arsenal, the US will have no hope even in a madman nuclear scenario.
You are obviously right about that but when that sentiment is repeated not only in one single resource and rather exists on a broad scale, then it could be representative of the underlying thoughts. It does not mean that every Russian thinks that way but it still has credible statistical significance.
The example with India is missing the point I was trying to make. Obviously, there is going to be hostile exchanges between Indians and Chinese because India and China are opposed to each other right now - pro-China user will receive even more hostility if he wanders into Indian forums, lol, that feeling is reciprocal.
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I mostly agree, which is why I don't believe Russia will launch a full scale invasion. They're going to digest the newly recognized regions first and incorporate them into the Russian Federation before moving on to the next piece.
Nothing is being piped in Nordstream 2 though. Not yet.
There's still Nordstream 1 and the pipelines in Ukraine.
Guess it might not be for much longer....
People talk of a 30% gas shortfall in Europe without Russian gas and think it's a good number to start sticking it to the Russians.
Those idiots should be careful what they wish for.
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