Ukrainian War Developments

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Abominable

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For me the real question is the overal resource intensity of a drone vs similar capability manned aircraft.

By every available account the big drones similar in capability of manned aircrafts use more resource , in term of manpower and money than a manned one.

If there is a huge premium about the pilots then the drone has advantage, but in a serious peer to peer combat the calculations should be different.
Why would it cost less to maintain what are essentially small subsonic turboprop planes compared to a squadron of manned jets? Just the fuel cost alone is going to be big.

Even if it were true, that goes out the window when your pilot has been shot down or had a malfunction over enemy territory. If that happens with a drone you just pull another one out of cargo.
 

Abominable

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Sorry, but this is a left-wing thought-terminating cliché. As soon you criticize "muslims", you are Nazi or someone provincial.

There is a history of facts behind every story. You probably should ask the thousands of french jews that immigrated to Israel in the last years because of...come again, what? The jewish community in France was once the biggest in Western Europe.

In Germany Ms. Merkel imported Millions of Muslims since 2015. No problem, in case they integrate and accept the way of life, like WE want to live in OUR home country. Unfortunately our government places their "interests" even before and above the rights of their own people. They leftist love them, but a lot of the "refugees" are not familiar with the western "culture" regarding the definition of family, gender all the rest of it. These causes and will cause civil unrest, they longer the more violent.

Do you have a mosque in your town, where the muezzin is calling for prayer loud and annoying? The leftist say: That is okay, and if not, we should stop also the church bells ringing. Aha...

There is a Saint-Martin feast in November. Children go through the streets with self-made lanterns. In rememberance of St. Martin who shared his coat with a beggar. Fuck, this is a Christian saint, that St. Martin. This will anger the Muslims...so we have to rename it to "Feast of Lights", or "Feast of lanterns". It happended in many communities in Germany. But the Muslims in our country never demanded to rename the feast. What is that? These people are abused for the politics of the globalistic agenda, that simply want to inihilate Christian faith and christian roots.

Like Ms Merkel said: " There are no Germans in this country, only people, that live in Germany". :eek:

Take a look at the results of the International Migration Conference in Maroc in 2018 and the encyclical of Pope France on "brotherhood". The flooding of Western Countries with "refugees - mostly those who are looking out for greener pastures" is at full speed. The globalistic idea is to weaken national states, weaken the peoples inner state of affiliation to a nation. A new religion is implemented, the brotherhood. It is far easier to control people in weak states and who do not know who they are and what real and healthy values they stand for. Offering people in poor countries to have the right to immigrate is a crime also. These people are disrooted and will have an even harder live in their new "home country". The catholic church and most of their "spiritual daughters" are not at all true Christian organisations.

Why was Mr. Trump such a problem for the demented globalistic demo"rats"? One thing for sure, the borders in the south needed to be open again. Bring them in, bring them in...
Why do you use refugees in quotation marks? Are you denying the Syrian war happened or something? As far as I am aware, Syrian people were happy to live in Syria until your country along with the rest of NATO started supporting ISIS to overthrow their government.

How long until Ukrainians refugees in your country get the quotation marks?
 

Abominable

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That's a good question. What's your theory?
My theory is that Ukraine is fxxked and it's only a matter of time until they start running out of basic supplies.
Two weeks ago, 4 star retired general Keane suggested that the US should seriously consider covert strikes on Russian convoys and covert aerial supply missions to Ukraine. In his words, the US has extensive capability in that domain, but details are classified ;)
Yeah, classified, or made up.

Anyway he's welcome to try. Any direct attack on a Russian supply convoy will be from America. How can you be covert about that? His "covert strike" probably refers to creating twitter rumours that Russian train workers are on strike in the hope it creates a real one.
Not US special forces infiltrating deep into Russia and blowing up supply depots or whatever you're imagining.

The Ukrainians can't do much to stop Russian supply lines. Maybe they can get some partisans to blow up some railway lines or set some mines or IEDs on roads to Russia, but that's it. Look at the distance between Russian front lines and the Russian border, its 25 miles in some places. Very short supply lines.

Good luck getting a aerial supply through the S400 coverage, RuAF and AWACs monitoring Ukrainian airspace. Unless the Americans have a secret super stealth cargo plane they haven't told anyone about.

Vans, 4x4s and flat bed trucks are Ukraine's best option. Don't go too big or it'll be target practice for RuAF or artillery. It would help if the Ukrainians would allow them to come through one than one route. Even in times of war Ukrainians have got time for corruption.
 

ohan_qwe

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Wing Loongs are getting shot down in Yemen by Houthis but Saudi Arabia is still happily using them. It doesn't matter if a cheap drone is shot down.

Saudi Arabia and other countries prefer to use drones because they are very cheap compared to manned air platforms and disposable, with no risk of losing pilots.
Saudi are rich and can't do anything more advanced than point and click on a screen. Saudi sould never be used as a example for good military strategy.
 
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