Ukrainian War Developments

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Phead128

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Now there's videos of outright war crimes circulating. Ukrainians have been uploading them to social media to incite Russians, and the Russians have been spreading it. If the western plan was to make Putin's war unpopular enough for him to back down, it is a massive failure.

I think the outrage is too much even for Putin to handle at this point. If this continues without condemnation, Putin is going to be forced to take it onto NATO directly.
Are you saying that NATO's failure to condemn Ukrainian war crimes against Russian POWs should trigger Putin starting a war with NATO directly? How is everything NATO's fault, including Ukrainian warcrimes?
 
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Massive outrage on Russian social media about the videos the Ukrainians have released with them kneecapping Russian POWs. The video of the soldier mocking the family of the soldier he killed got played on Russian television too, but these are much worse.

For weeks now the west have ignored and censored questionable Ukrainian acts. All videos of Ukrainian civilians being tied up to lampposts and beaten are being removed from social media, and there's been no press coverage of it.

Now there's videos of outright war crimes circulating. Ukrainians have been uploading them to social media to incite Russians, and the Russians have been spreading it. If the western plan was to make Putin's war unpopular enough for him to back down, it is a massive failure.

I think the outrage is too much even for Putin to handle at this point. If this continues without condemnation, Putin is going to be forced to take it onto NATO directly.
Hopefully these videos will end the trend of Russians giving themselves up. These war crimes should galvanize the Russian army.
 

Abominable

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It isn't an either or option. You can use attack helicopters, ground support aircraft and drones.
The point i am making is that drones have played very minor role in strike configuration. see this strike drone. It need long and well built runway. most probably several hundreds kms away from battlefield. several people are dealing flight preparation. this is just one drone that can barely takes 2 to 4 weopons.
Compared to the number of personnel required to maintain helicopters or aircraft sorties?

They do carry less ordinance, but you can mitigate that by increasing the number of drones you deploy. You can also have those drones split up and covering a larger area, something you can't do with a single plane.
Orion is better but still all slow turbo prop drones with limited ability per sortie with no self protection suit and predictable flight profile. Stealth drone with internal bays and high subsonic speed is another matter.
Self protection from what? Ukraine's defences have already been largely suppressed. Even if one is shot down, it's better that missile hit a drone than a su-25.
If there are Chinese drone and drone crash in Ukraine for what ever reason. there will be backlash against chinese and drone reliability will be questioned.
If you bought them before the war started you would have been fine. Now it will be a political issue.
it is high tempo operation. thats why so many cruise/ ballistic/Tornado G missiles are launched as speed, punch and surprise is top priority. attack choppers practically flying from mud fields and they are carrying non-symmetrical payloads. attack choppers have radar. that currently no drone with enough power can provide and i doubt drone can provide simultaneous standoff engagement. attack choppers still have guns/rockets to finish off splattering of initial target at close range. the level of armour protection and EW suite provide that opportunity.
Also there is no-drone that can replace Tu-214R and if That thing is flying around so it means fighter jets already in the air for target of opportunity that can guide much faster missiles.
It's much more expensive to use large ballistic & cruise missiles than PGB.

Again, drones aren't the solution to all problems. But you are refusing to acknowledge the unique advantages drones have.

To me it seems Russia isn't able to deploy enough Orions for it to make a difference so they're not bothering. Or they're just stubborn and refuse to integrate a new platform.
 

getready

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In addition to that, Russia changed from food importer to food exporter, lowered its debt and strengthened its economy. The flight of Tu-160m indicates that its industrial capability also improved.
When Russia reduced its dollar reserves to close to zero, you know they were preparing for something, just that it might not have been enough.
Another thing is that, back in 2014, Russia needed to watch out for the Syria situation, they were likely trying to avoid getting into a large scale confrontation with Ukraine or NATO. Putin waited patiently till the Europe refugee crisis, then intervened in Syria without being sanctioned more. To me that's a geopolitical masterpiece. Syria is something Russia can't afford to lose.
The sports fan in me believes Putin wanted to wait till Tokyo and Beijing Olympics are over before doing something that will get all top Russian athletes banned from international
competitions
 

asif iqbal

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Ukrainians are using civilians drones to mark and identify Russian targets

the information is sent up the chain of command

then its decided if armed drones or artillery will strike will be carried out

the exact co-ordinates of the Russian locations are feed into artillery teams with great accuracy and mortar teams

I dont know how this is exactly done but the results are devastating on the Russian armour

recon teams then count the casualties and losses on the Russian side

and this is repeated again and again
 

Overbom

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If there are Chinese drone and drone crash in Ukraine for what ever reason. there will be backlash against chinese and drone reliability will be questioned.
Wing Loongs are getting shot down in Yemen by Houthis but Saudi Arabia is still happily using them. It doesn't matter if a cheap drone is shot down.

Saudi Arabia and other countries prefer to use drones because they are very cheap compared to manned air platforms and disposable, with no risk of losing pilots.
 
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