Ukrainian War Developments

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enroger

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Yes pride is a huge deal, is outstanding that the Russians have not been collaborating more with the Chinese in this area, knowing the fact that China had been fielding drones with ever increase capabilities, because they have good electronics-IT sector.


lol our drones salesmen department needs to stop, this is like dangling hotdog in front of a starving man.... Ruskies ain't getting any of these good stuffs at this stage of the war, should've placed order months ago!

Joke aside Russian seems to finally making good use of their drones lately, at least back to 2014 levels
 

tokenanalyst

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China still can't make engines for commercial airliners. Russia can. That's why China needs Russia's help on CR929 which used to be C929.
But they should has complemented each other weaknesses, Russia has some experience in some things and China is becoming really good in another things. It shouldn't all be oil and cold war weaponry.
 

emblem21

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This is the best impartial analysis I've read this far. The comments were educational as well.

I guess the west's wet dream of a color revolution in Russia are getting lower, not higher ? Smart of Russia to spread these videos and gain consent from their population. Very dumb of the Ukrainians to do this.
The Ukrainian are not going to have a very bright future if they can stop boasting about their actions. All this is eventually going to do is make the Russians work harder to kill every Ukrainian soldier and ensure that the west will not get a drop of oil/resource for supporting these efforts and lying about it on the world stage. The actions of the USA for being instigator of this fight will eventually becoming something that the Russians would eventually take the USA to count for and also eventually becoming something that the USA is going to regret one day as this will inevitably give the Russians very little cause to show mercy when the Russians inevitably confront the USA at a time of Russia choosing. An angry Russia with super weapons that none of us really know about is going to be the last enemy that the USA would want to fight and the USA is slowly but surely removing all the restrains that Russia has. This isn’t going to end well.
 

emblem21

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Geee, I wonder what going to happen when the Russians eventually change their strategy in regards to Ukrainian POW treatment and also about what’s going to happen from now onwards when Russia final decides that the only good Nazi would be a Nazi fed to a cherry picker and then apply this logic to every Ukrainian soldier given the situation and then taking videos of the scene. If this is what these people want, they are certainly going the right way about it. Given how the USA has ultimately taught the Ukrainian how to be like this, the USA had better watch it as eventually this kind of treatment will eventually be applied to them in the near future.
All these actions of parading the actions on line while gloating like this, is going to backfire tremendously on all parties involved
 

pmc

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My point wasn't to say that Chinese drones are better. I'm sure the Russian equivalent would have worked fine too, but I don't see them deployed. Just drones used for reconnaissance and one or two videos of loitering munitions. There were the decoy drones at the start, but Russia seems to have stopped using those.

Manpower - no worries, I'm sure you could have hired some Chinese operators for the duration of the war. Maybe even as a free tech demo. It would have been good experience for future conflicts especially CAS with a foreign allied country.
The point i am making is that drones have played very minor role in strike configuration. see this strike drone. It need long and well built runway. most probably several hundreds kms away from battlefield. several people are dealing flight preparation. this is just one drone that can barely takes 2 to 4 weopons. Orion is better but still all slow turbo prop drones with limited ability per sortie with no self protection suit and predictable flight profile. Stealth drone with internal bays and high subsonic speed is another matter.
If there are Chinese drone and drone crash in Ukraine for what ever reason. there will be backlash against chinese and drone reliability will be questioned. it is high tempo operation. thats why so many cruise/ ballistic/Tornado G missiles are launched as speed, punch and surprise is top priority. attack choppers practically flying from mud fields and they are carrying non-symmetrical payloads. attack choppers have radar. that currently no drone with enough power can provide and i doubt drone can provide simultaneous standoff engagement. attack choppers still have guns/rockets to finish off splattering of initial target at close range. the level of armour protection and EW suite provide that opportunity.
Also there is no-drone that can replace Tu-214R and if That thing is flying around so it means fighter jets already in the air for target of opportunity that can guide much faster missiles.


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Anlsvrthng

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For me the real question is the overal resource intensity of a drone vs similar capability manned aircraft.

By every available account the big drones similar in capability of manned aircrafts use more resource , in term of manpower and money than a manned one.


If there is a huge premium about the pilots then the drone has advantage, but in a serious peer to peer combat the calculations should be different.
 

FairAndUnbiased

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this is the sad reality of McDonaldized social media interaction. Remember back in March 2020 when everyone was all "stay home 2 weeks to stop the spread!", free cell phone service for those under lockdown, free masks, rent forgiveness and food bank donations... where's all that now? Hell, where was that in even December 2020 at the big 2nd wave of the pandemic? where was that in the Delta wave? the Omicron wave? Nowhere. It's gone. Just forgotten.

westerners get bored. They're "soooo over this" Ukraine conflict right now the same way they're "soooo over this" pandemic.
 
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