Ukrainian War Developments

Zichan said:

I agree that the EU is a major loser here, but I am not convinced about the US. Just the other day in the news, the two agreed that the US shall double its exports of LNG to Europe by the end of the year. The US MIC is rubbing its hands with glee at the prospect of new export contracts to NATO Europe countries.

The EU is an agricultural superpower. The tiny Netherlands is the second largest exporter of agricultural products in the world. The concern is not that the EU will not have enough fertilizer, but that the Ukranian farmers might not have it. The European Commission is already working on sending seeds and fertilizer to Ukraine.

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Does the USA have that gas supply or the ability to deliver the amount to the EU to completely replace Russia and also to note is why in earth did he go to Iran and Venezuela to beg for help and also why did he call Multiple middle eastern nations for help only to get rebuffed by all of them. It’s true that the USA isn’t immediately affected by in reality, I would say that in the long term, they really are and quite badly to the point where Biden is openly calling for Putins removal because he bows that he screwed up quite badly but cannot reverse gear unless he concedes to Russia which is impossible to do without making the usa acknowledged that they screwed up on a level worse then Afghanistan. Sure the MIC benefits from more war but Ultimately, there will come a time when they bite off more then they can chew so really the usa will ultimately suffer the consequences and oh boy is it going to suck But not straight away unlike the EU which is going to suffer a lot quicker and the effects will not a lot more painful in the immediate term

caudaceus said:

Bruhh from replaying the Spanish flu pandemic, we skipped the roaring 20s going straight to the dustbowl huh?

Btw I found this illuminating answer on Quora

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This is the best impartial analysis I've read this far. The comments were educational as well.

Abominable said:

Massive outrage on Russian social media about the videos the Ukrainians have released with them kneecapping Russian POWs. The video of the soldier mocking the family of the soldier he killed got played on Russian television too, but these are much worse.

For weeks now the west have ignored and censored questionable Ukrainian acts. All videos of Ukrainian civilians being tied up to lampposts and beaten are being removed from social media, and there's been no press coverage of it.

Now there's videos of outright war crimes circulating. Ukrainians have been uploading them to social media to incite Russians, and the Russians have been spreading it. If the western plan was to make Putin's war unpopular enough for him to back down, it is a massive failure.

I think the outrage is too much even for Putin to handle at this point. If this continues without condemnation, Putin is going to be forced to take it onto NATO directly.

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I guess the west's wet dream of a color revolution in Russia are getting lower, not higher ? Smart of Russia to spread these videos and gain consent from their population. Very dumb of the Ukrainians to do this.

Something I've been wondering about over the last couple of days is why there hasn't been much news coming out of the southeastern front (like around Velyka Novosilka and Huliapoyle and that whole line stretching from Zapoirizhizhia to Donetsk). But then I've also been seeing lots of videos showing Russian armored columns moving through Donetsk and Luhansk. So I think what's happening is that the Russians are massing and preparing for a big push across the eastern front, which will probably commence shortly after Mariupol is under full Russian control. Thoughts on this?

It is bad. I could see several politicians jumping ship on the war and claim they never really supported it

ZeEa5KPul said:

China's at least as advanced as Russia in everything, including engines.

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Which missile?

yongpengsuen said:

China still can't make engines for commercial airliners. Russia can. That's why China needs Russia's help on CR929 which used to be C929.

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That is quite an ignorant thing to say.

Overbom said:

Same.
"They stole our carrier design"
"Their new stealth bomber is a copy"
"Don't let our soldiers use Chinese crap"
"Chinese weapons are very low quality, our weapons are better"
"Wing Loong/CH/etc are bad quality American copies, our Orion is so much better"
"Their ships are only about quantity, they build them fast, but there are subpar quality with water leaks!"

lol. Kinda hilarious watching them seethe over Chinese weapons. If I knew Russian I would definetely have a go against them for their "superior" air/drone force

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Yes pride is a huge deal, is outstanding that the Russians have not been collaborating more with the Chinese in this area, knowing the fact that China had been fielding drones with ever increase capabilities, because they have good electronics-IT sector.

Some level headed discussion on US based network

Lapin said:

Thanks for your advice. Virginia Woolf could have spoken for me:
"As a woman, I have no country. As a woman, I want no country. As a woman, my country is the whole world.”
--Virginia Woolf

During the First World War, Bertrand Russell (in the UK) sometimes wrote (via Switzerland) to his friend,
Ludwig Wittgenstein, an officer in the Austro-Hungarian Army. Many Britons would have found it hard
to understand that one of the persons about whom Russell cared the most was his country's enemy.

I may be too idealistic (or naive), but I hope that love and friendship can transcend the barriers of war.
I personally cannot imagine being as ruthlessly cruel as some people here say that they would be.

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I think it is only natural to recoil with horror from war and the suffering it inflicts on persons, families, whole communities. The images and stories we see are confronting and if we lose the capacity to be shocked by them, it can only be because we have lost some of our humanity. I will always be wary of those who speak too casually or eagerly of war, death and destruction.

Nonetheless, we owe it to ourselves to confront the world as it is, and not as we would like it to be. We need to understand the dynamics of othering, how national identities are formed and policed, how power is exercised in international affairs. It may be tempting to dismiss violence and cruelty as senseless horrors, but we owe it to ourselves to understand where this violence comes from and the objectives that it serves. Only by such clear-headed analysis as we are capable of can we hope to understand a conflict and thereby the prospects for ending it. We must learn to practice "strategic empathy" where we try to understand what the world looks like from the perspective of each relevant party. The failure to do this can lead to ineffective and even counter-productive and self-defeating policies. The realist tradition in international relations is often accused by its critics of amorality. I would counter that failing to attend to the realities of power in international relations can and often does lead directly to human suffering. I don't believe that Arundhati Roy would ever be characterised as a realist, or wish to be characterised in such dry academic terms at all, nonetheless I think she puts her finger on the heart of the matter in her "Come September" address, on the centrality of power relations to the great causes of human dignity and human flourishing:

The theme of much of what I write, fiction as well as nonfiction, is the relationship between power and powerlessness and the endless, circular conflict they’re engaged in. John Berger, that most wonderful writer, once wrote: “Never again will a single story be told as though it’s the only one.” There can never be a single story. There are only ways of seeing. So when I tell a story, I tell it not as an ideologue who wants to pit one absolutist ideology against another, but as a story-teller who wants to share her way of seeing. Though it might appear otherwise, my writing is not really about nations and histories; it’s about power. About the paranoia and ruthlessness of power. About the physics of power. I believe that the accumulation of vast unfettered power by a State or a country, a corporation or an institution—or even an individual, a spouse, a friend, a sibling—regardless of ideology, results in excesses such as the ones I will recount here.

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I have found Bertrand Russell's writings very nourishing, but am only vaguely acquainted with Wittgenstein. Nonetheless, I enjoyed Wittgenstein's characterisation of Russell's work: "His books should be bound in two colours: those dealing with mathematics and logic in red — and all students of philosophy should be required to read them; and those dealing with ethics and politics in blue — and nobody should be allowed to read them.”

Helius said:

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The difference, of course, is that you don't get banned for posting Western/Anglo sources on here as you apparently do over there with Sino/Russo sources like you profess... That is, not unless you use them to ridicule and attack members on here with opposing views from some manner of self-professed pedestal of moral probity which, to be clear, I'm not implying that you do.

I think the fact that you're free to defend your position, as can others of theirs, on here is quite evident of the openness and tolerance of this board as a forum for expression of views that are first and foremost thoughtful, insightful, and respectful.
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That. Very well said. BTW, that poster you responded to is really clueless, typical reddit type. I am a US citizen for decades. And I get most news from outside China. Actually, I once was a long-time paying subscriber of NTY, WP and WSJ, plus tons of US financial publications. The covid pandemic and the war have really altered my previous understandings. And sadly, at the same time, I am witnessing unspeakable depth and width of brainwashing by western MSM onto their own citizens, which is truly beyond my coynprehesion.