Ukrainian War Developments

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Atomicfrog

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RottenPanzer said:
I'm pretty sure the Germans still kept their former East German military equipment in reserve or storage....
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Expired and rotten East German military equipment... it's maybe partly why we ear about 18 missiles misses on KA-52...stinger have a shelf life of 20 years or so too. Old stockpiles shipped to Ukraine are probably half functionning.
 
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I've been thinking over the recent targeting of fuel depots by the Russians and trying to make sense of it. Targeting ammo depots obviously makes a lot of sense and if you could only do X number of air strikes and cruise/ballistic missile attacks a day I would rather drop all of those on ammo depots or command and control or any other high value targets.

High profile examples of the focus on fuel depots:
  • Kinzhal attack against the pumping station of the depot near Nikolaev
  • the attack yesterday against the depot near Lviv
The reason why it didn't make sense at first is because Ukrainian armour are mostly content sitting in their position and not engage in manoeuvre warfare, so they can't be burning through that much fuel. With that in mind I can brainstorm 3 reasons why fuel depots are being hit:
  • maybe all the other low hanging fruits are already gone, so it's fuel depots turn to receive fire, and hits to fuel depots are more visible since they light up the sky
  • this may be an attempt at disrupting Ukrainian truck based supply lines. Receiving NATO aid is one thing, getting the stuff to where they need to be while fuel depots are on fire is another
  • With the rumour of the 2nd stage offensive against the Donbass troop concentration being prepared, hitting fuel depot may be a pre-emptive move to reduce their mobility to prevent/slow any retreat towards Kiev.
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It's very logical. Hits on fuel tanks reduces strategic mobility, increases logistical burden (they're refueled by truck, not pipelines) and reduces logistics throughput (reduces number of logistics trucks capable of moving at any one time). Hitting the fuel makes sense in any war of attrition.
 
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Richard Santos

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SampanViking said:
Still loads of people here talking about Russia wanting to buy Chinese weapons.
Has there to date been a single non western source stating this as fact?

What would the Russians actually want? They have after- all, the worlds second largest weapons manufacturing industry after the US.
Its a bit like the stories about them not having enough fuel, when they are one of the worlds greatest oil and gas producers !!??
If it is all about the logistics then this is another story, this is then about trucks (and probably field engineers). Trucks are duel use items and so selling those to Russia should not be pose any significant problems.
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They may retain parts of what, as a whole, would have been the world’s largest or second largest arms manufacturing capacity. But I highly doubt with just the parts they still access to, plus the substitutions they’ve been able to affect for parts no longer accessible, their overall arms manufacturing capacity can rival those of China.

Compared to China, the Russian arms industry no doubt retain some technological advantage in field that require highly specialized research in which the USSR invested hugely during the Cold War, but which can’t easily be made up through generalized broad based commercial or academic R&D. However, in every field of military technology that would benefit from major advances in generalized broad based commercial or academic R&D seen over the last 30 years, Russia is likely to less advanced than China. Furthermore, in the area of manufacturing capacity for military equipment reliant on these advances, the Chinese are likely well ahead of Russia.

So I have no doubt Russia in this war could benefit considerably from transfer of Chinese military equipment. 10,000 Chinese cross country military trucks will help Russia a lot right now, and a batch of 100 wing loong drones will also do them no harm either
 
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I just heard an unverified news from a Chinese media. It reads "欧盟绕过欧盟的制裁在欧盟制裁的俄央行购买卢布，以向俄罗斯支付天然气费用。" It says "EU is trying to walk around EU's sanction on Russia to buy rubble from EU's sanctioned Russia Central Bank, in order to pay for Russian gas". It is too funny even if it turns out to be a joke. So I cannot help but posting here to entertain yall.
 
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FairAndUnbiased said:
It's very logical. Hits on fuel tanks reduces strategic mobility, increases logistical burden (they're refueled by truck, not pipelines) and reduces logistics throughput (reduces number of logistics trucks capable of moving at any one time). Hitting the fuel makes sense in any war of attrition.
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4Runner said:
Today I just feel I want to brag. So I dig this out to show my long middle finger to JP AND GR. Global energy ecosystem, global food ecosystem, global integrated markets for cars and industrial goods. You are forcing China to eat your lunch and I am not complaining.
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Seriously. this is what a paralysis might look like. US/West inflicting double digit inflation to themselves :) Madness, herd mentality... I don't get it. I fully understand one thing thought: 2024 Trump guaranteed ~!!!!
 
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